I can totally understand JSR's anger at Telstra, How ever your example of nzdating.co.nz I personally think is a little harsh. I would wonder what Telstra would say about that, Also I believe that ISP's & the Admins that do the great job keeping the networks running have a responcibility not only to their own company but to the NZ Internet in general to keep things working for all internet users. The customer should not suffer, Its not their fault. Best regards Matthew G Brown B & R Holdings LIMITED Nelson, New Zealand DDI: + 64 3 544 9116 MOB: 027 4807731 http://www.brh.co.nz http://www.backupserver.co.nz -----Original Message----- From: Tikiri Wicks [mailto:tcwicks(a)maxnet.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 26 November 2003 12:19 p.m. To: 'nznog' Subject: Re: [nznog] Peering Issue - from a business point of view In this scenario what would happen ? A Telstra consumer tries to access www.nzdating.co.nz what happens ? it is not accessible for them. The next day (or same day) he/she whines to his/her friends about nzdating not beign there. But his/her friend is on a dialup to ICONZ / Slingshot / _____ and they could access the site with no hassles. Instant conclusion is something is wrong with Telstra.