On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:02 PM, jamie baddeley
my first reaction on reading this is not so much thinking about the value of a potentially movable (by the hour) /24 but the cost of the resultant instability on BGP and the global routing table.
True. Even if we're talking by the day or month (which is probably a more realistic preposition to be honest) it's going to mean rethinking a lot of the concepts we consider axiomatic with regard to address ranges. IP Geo-location for eg goes right out the window. One of the services being offered by IP Brokers is to ensure that if you buy addresses from a North American seller, that the usual geo-location providers are made aware that they are now in use in NZ. I was quick to ask if you could pay them extra to NOT make them aware =). RPKI (origin validation) and in tern BGPSEC become a bit more difficult (although not impossible) under a vibrant leasing market.
If this is being discussed at RIR level then I'm assuming the /24 in question could shift between AsiaPac economies.
Because these are contracts between a lessor and a lesse (and not the RIR) I don't believe there is a requirement for them to be in the same region. I could for example lease IP addresses from the Democratic Republic of Congo and route them in New Zealand. Similarly, I could offer a lease to a Nigerian prince for some New Zealand IPs which he could route out of his palace in Nigeria for a few days. Just to send a few emails you understand =) Then I could get them back and lease them to another nice man from Uzbekistan. Something about robots... sounded like starwars or something.
Maybe I've missed something. Has there been a development where /24's can pulled out of 103/8 and then moved willy nilly (technical term du jour) by the hour from AS to AS and yet the GRT remains reasonably stable?
First off It's not anything specific to 103/8. Second, there had never really been anything to require a certain AS originate a given prefix. Now there is RPKI (origin verification) but anyone leasing their addresses out wouldn't be making cryptographically secure statements that they could only originate from one AS. The stability of the GRT would depend on how often these move about. I don't think it's a huge issue. Parts of the GRT come and go pretty regularly as it is. I think the larger problem is being able to keep track of who to complain to if one of these addresses starts sending you spam.
Coz it seems to me that any solution to deal with that involves solutions within a 'host' AS, and you can't really hope to value that at RIR level. Can you?
You could certainly lease addresses to other AS numbers.
Having said that if there has been a development I've missed then I'm all ears because I've long been interested in the concept of spot market transit. If a /24 is movable by the hour, then that's essentially what you have.
As scarcity of IPv4 addresses gets more and more, with people looking to feed hungry CGNAT boxes, I can't imagine that a provider wouldn't look at how much addresses would cost just during busy times. Or a pair of providers on opposite sides of the world looking to do a 'deal' Thoughts? Deam