[nznog] Re: Hackers Challenge started at 1500 NZ time

6 Jul 2003


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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Conference Attendance (Andy Gardner)
   2. Hackers Challenge started at 1500 NZ time (Peter Macaulay)
   3. RE: Abuse desk responses (Neil Gardner)
   4. Re: Abuse desk responses (Michael Hallager)
   5. Re: Abuse desk responses (Edward Yardley)
   6. Re: Hackers Challenge started at 1500 NZ time (Dan Clark)
   7. Re: Hackers Challenge started at 1500 NZ time (Keith Davidson)
   8. Re: Hackers Challenge started at 1500 NZ time (Peter Macaulay)
   9. Re: Hackers Challenge started at 1500 NZ time (Mark Thompson)
  10. Re: Abuse desk responses (Russell Fulton)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 00:28:38 -0500
From: Andy Gardner 
Subject: Re: [nznog] Conference Attendance
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On Friday, July 4, 2003, at 05:07  AM, Keith Davidson wrote:
...
I'll also be at Unforum for a couple of days, just to rub noses with
the
penguin huggers   :-)  Look forward to putting some names to faces,
and to
heckling Joe Abley at every opportunity ...
Gee, and here I was thinking you were doing a talk on how to destroy
nz.general through incessant punning.
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 17:59:02 +1200
From: Peter Macaulay 
Subject: [nznog] Hackers Challenge started at 1500 NZ time
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, nznog 
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 16:08:46 +1200
From: "Neil Gardner" 
Subject: RE: [nznog] Abuse desk responses
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From: Steve Phillips [mailto:steve(a)focb.co.nz]
Has anyone else here had problems with NZ ISP abuse complaint responses
?
mainly in response to SPAM reports where they refuse to do anything
until
they get blacklisted but also covering network abuse (DOS type
scenario's
and the like) ?
Yep, although in most cases it appears to be from a lack of organisation
in getting the complaints to the right person rather than a systemic
neglect of the issue. Recently I tried for 2 weeks through proper
channels to get an obviously infected ADSL customer disabled and
informed of their problem, to no avail, and culminating in the Helpdesk
telling me that the Abuse people only worked form midnight to 8am a
couple of days a week!!!!
Obviously what he meant was that the person that dealt with it in the
NOC was next rostered on for a midnight to 8am shift, but it's NOT what
he said.
Anyway, I posted the details on this list and someone from the
appropriate ISP saw it and had the issue resolved in 30 minutes.
But there should be some sort of internally monitored helpdesk with
escalation for complaints like that - I know of a number of (admittedly
corporate and not cheap - HEAT and Magic spring to mind) that do this
sort of thing very well).
Out of interest, are any ISP reps here prepared to admit how they track
issues, specifically something like complaints to abuse(a)isp.co.nz where
there could be a lot of incoming jobs?
Cheers - Neil G
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 21:18:51 +1200
From: Michael Hallager 
Subject: Re: [nznog] Abuse desk responses
To: "Neil Gardner" 
Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz
Message-ID: <200307062118.51406.michael(a)networkstuff.co.nz>
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Hello,
At Vivid Computers / Vivid Net, all abuse(a)vivid.net.nz email comes to
myself
- as the Systems Administrator - for prompt action.
Michael Hallager
Networkstuff Limited
http://www.networkstuff.co.nz
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-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Phillips [mailto:steve(a)focb.co.nz]
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Has anyone else here had problems with NZ ISP abuse complaint responses
?
...
mainly in response to SPAM reports where they refuse to do anything
until
...
they get blacklisted but also covering network abuse (DOS type
scenario's
...
and the like) ?
Yep, although in most cases it appears to be from a lack of organisation
in getting the complaints to the right person rather than a systemic
neglect of the issue. Recently I tried for 2 weeks through proper
channels to get an obviously infected ADSL customer disabled and
informed of their problem, to no avail, and culminating in the Helpdesk
telling me that the Abuse people only worked form midnight to 8am a
couple of days a week!!!!
Obviously what he meant was that the person that dealt with it in the
NOC was next rostered on for a midnight to 8am shift, but it's NOT what
he said.
Anyway, I posted the details on this list and someone from the
appropriate ISP saw it and had the issue resolved in 30 minutes.
But there should be some sort of internally monitored helpdesk with
escalation for complaints like that - I know of a number of (admittedly
corporate and not cheap - HEAT and Magic spring to mind) that do this
sort of thing very well).
Out of interest, are any ISP reps here prepared to admit how they track
issues, specifically something like complaints to abuse(a)isp.co.nz where
there could be a lot of incoming jobs?
Cheers - Neil G
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 21:58:57 +1200
From: "Edward Yardley" 
Subject: Re: [nznog] Abuse desk responses
To: 
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I've found the same thing with Paradise/Telstra Clear's responses.
Edward.
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Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 4:15 PM
Subject: RE: [nznog] Abuse desk responses
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-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Phillips [mailto:steve(a)focb.co.nz]
Has anyone else here had problems with NZ ISP abuse complaint responses
?
mainly in response to SPAM reports where they refuse to do anything
until
they get blacklisted but also covering network abuse (DOS type
scenario's
and the like) ?
Yep, although in most cases it appears to be from a lack of organisation
in getting the complaints to the right person rather than a systemic
neglect of the issue. Recently I tried for 2 weeks through proper
channels to get an obviously infected ADSL customer disabled and
informed of their problem, to no avail, and culminating in the Helpdesk
telling me that the Abuse people only worked form midnight to 8am a
couple of days a week!!!!
Obviously what he meant was that the person that dealt with it in the
NOC was next rostered on for a midnight to 8am shift, but it's NOT what
he said.
Anyway, I posted the details on this list and someone from the
appropriate ISP saw it and had the issue resolved in 30 minutes.
But there should be some sort of internally monitored helpdesk with
escalation for complaints like that - I know of a number of (admittedly
corporate and not cheap - HEAT and Magic spring to mind) that do this
sort of thing very well).
Out of interest, are any ISP reps here prepared to admit how they track
issues, specifically something like complaints to abuse(a)isp.co.nz where
there could be a lot of incoming jobs?
Cheers - Neil G
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 22:17:22 +1200
From: "Dan Clark" 
Subject: Re: [nznog] Hackers Challenge started at 1500 NZ time
To: "Peter Macaulay" , "members-discuss >>
InternetNZ Members Discussion List"
, "nznog"

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Hi all,
        Any examples of defaced sites???
Regards
Dan
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Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 5:59 PM
Subject: [nznog] Hackers Challenge started at 1500 NZ time
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 22:39:28 +1200
From: "Keith Davidson" 
Subject: Re: [nznog] Hackers Challenge started at 1500 NZ time
To: "nznog" 
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Hi all,
        Any examples of defaced sites???
www.scarfies.net   :-)
I still can't get through to www.defacers-challenge.com, which was
supposed
to be listing the hacked sites...
Keith Davidson
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 23:00:10 +1200
From: Peter Macaulay 
Subject: Re: [nznog] Hackers Challenge started at 1500 NZ time
Cc: nznog 
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Haven't seen any yet and zone-h showed only a slight increase before the
DNOS attack clogged their 100mb totally. The originator runs a
'brazilian' site based out of the US, and his/her email is from
somewhere in France. The Estonian link is for the time of the challenge
and the time is according to zone-h which is estonian (Tallin)
;-)  Just showing I have done my homework before putting on the makeup
and  getting demolished by Hoskin and Hawkesbury.
Keith Davidson wrote:
...
...
Hi all,
       Any examples of defaced sites???
www.scarfies.net   :-)
I still can't get through to www.defacers-challenge.com, which was
supposed
to be listing the hacked sites...
Keith Davidson
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[nznog] Re: Hackers Challenge started at 1500 NZ time

Dominic O'Hare