On Tue, Oct 13, 1998 at 09:29:25AM +1300, Craig Anderson wrote:
There is also a very serious danger with trying to force this non-portability aspect. It reeks of commercial and not technical motives. It looks like a way to lock up customers by making it difficult to change providers. And without a serious technical reason (like if we don't do it, no one will be able to use the Internet), it is. If i didn't know Joe better, i would have suspected this was part of the reasoning. Nevertheless, one has to look as well as be very clean on any proposal in this area -- looking or behaving like a cartel will cause serious problems.
Thanks for the vote of confidence (I think ;) There are both technical and commercial reasons for wanting to tie the issue down, and I mentioned both in the "issues" section in my original message.
I believe we can accomplish the basic goals with different rules, rules that are fair, fit existing practices, and have little potential commercial motive. How about we use:
You can't move unless the entire block allocated by Waikato was allocated to you (or else you renumber).
This allows ISPs to move about freely as suggested, some companies will also be able to move, but not those who obtained their IP addresses from an ISP. This will help prevent much further fragmentation, will help prevent overlapping advertisements, and helps clarify "ownership".
We will need APNIC buy-in, and I agree with Chris that a migration period can be helpful, as long as it is enforced (i.e. enforcable).
It would seem prudent for us to at least look at the current allocations and estimate the amount of address space assigned to ISPs and to end users. I suspect there is only a small percentage of end user blocks. And if this is the case there would be very little practical difference between this and the draft's rules.
It would be _very_ helpful to start to document the allocations that are
currently in use from each ISP, so we can determine the real size of the
problem.
Here are a list of networks within the NZGATE blocks currently routed
by CLEAR (as at today):
202.27.100.0/22
202.27.103.0/24
202.27.115.0/24
202.27.120.0/22
202.27.120.0/24
202.27.81.0/24
202.36.170.0/24
202.36.202.0/24
202.36.227.0/24
202.36.91.0/24
202.37.176.0/23
202.37.188.0/22
202.37.188.0/24
202.37.189.0/24
202.37.190.0/24
202.37.191.0/24
202.37.218.0/23
202.37.218.0/24
202.37.219.0/24
202.49.0.0/21
202.49.16.0/20
202.49.178.0/24
202.49.187.0/24
202.49.224.0/22
202.49.33.0/24
202.49.36.0/24
202.49.46.0/24
202.49.47.0/24
202.49.48.0/24
202.49.63.0/24
202.49.86.0/24
202.50.112.0/24
202.50.117.0/24
202.50.177.0/24
202.50.188.0/22
These are _all_ customer networks as far as we are concerned, since we don't
use any NZGATE addressing for our infrastructure.
How about anybody else?
Joe
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Joe Abley