Re: Open Letter to all NZ ISPs and users of NZNOG

Andy and all, Yes I know very well what is says, Andy. That doesn't change the facts regarding what I posted... Andy Linton wrote:

On Sun, 17 Jun 2001, Jeff Williams wrote:

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Andy and all,

Your reference to RFC 2970 is a recent politically motivated revision of the original that is not being widely accepted presently and has been hotly debated on various other forums that I am aware of and participate in, on a few. John Kliensen along with "Harald(a)alvestrand.no" were the main drivers of this revised version of RFC 2870 to which you refer.

Really? RFC 2870 is an IETF Best Common Practices document which says the following:

Status of this Memo

This document specifies an Internet Best Current Practices for the Internet Community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements. Distribution of this memo is unlimited.

The authors are Randy Bush, Daniel Karrenberg, Mark Kosters and Raymond Plzak. I know three of these people personally and I'm inclined to trust their judgment on this issue. Randy Bush is one of the Area Directors of the Operations and Management Area of the IETF (http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/wg-dir.html). How credible do we need people to be here?

For your info we don't have revised versions of RFCs. An RFC gets obsoleted by a later RFC after a period of discussion and agreement by the IETF. RFC2010 dated 1996 was replaced after this process was followed.

John Klensen was a contributor to the document and is acknowledged as such:

The authors would like to thank Scott Bradner, Robert Elz, Chris Fletcher, John Klensin, Steve Bellovin, and Vern Paxson for their constructive comments.

Harald Alvestrand isn't mentioned although he is also an IETF Area Director.

I'd also have to say that if Robert Elz is content with the provisions of RFC 2870 then I'm pretty comfortable.

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I will leave my comments to the revised RFC 2870 as they are presently, as a lengthy debate over it is not likely to be productive here. And let others decide for themselves where they stand on it and it's potential implications.

I'd suggest that if you and your colleagues aren't happy with RFC 2870 then you go through the process to get it changed. It's clearly documented at http://www.ietf.org/ID.html

When you win the argument there, come back to the list and I think you'll find that the reception will be much more cordial.

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