A side question - has anyone seen any work on just how long a person must be disconnected for, should they be found "guilty"? Is it permanent or would switching them off and straight back on be enough? Not a Vodafone question - just curiosity. Paul Brislen External Communications Manager Vodafone New Zealand 021 721 337 -----Original Message----- From: andrew(a)borg.co.nz [mailto:andrew(a)borg.co.nz] Sent: Friday, 13 March 2009 8:25 a.m. To: 'Andy Linton' Cc: 'NZNOG List' Subject: Re: [nznog] NZNOG & Discussion Topics Not only that but the burden of proof should always be on the accuser and in this case the record industry. Who is to say that someone was not using the connection either unlawfully such as could be the case if someone has an open/unsecured wireless network (or even a secured one with smart neighbors). In addition to this I know of plenty of ways of passing traffic thru someone else's router/connection and in fact we recently had a issue where a schools IT team had allowed external traffic to be passed thru their proxy server and this was exploited extensively by people in China. There are also too many opportunities for this piece of legislation to be abused and is going to cause problems rather than resolve them. Another matter is that the police get paid for their work, lawyers get paid as do judges and all court staff. Government get paid and electronic forensics get paid. So why should ISP's be forced to donate their time and act on accusations that will result in a reduction of turnover to the benefit of other profit making organizations? Regards Andrew NOTE: This is just my view and in no way representative of my company or any association I belong to. -----Original Message----- From: Andy Linton [mailto:asjl(a)lpnz.org] Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:07 PM To: jon.brewer(a)araneo.net.nz Cc: NZNOG List Subject: Re: [nznog] NZNOG & Discussion Topics On 12/03/2009, at 11:41 , Jonathan Brewer wrote:
Hi Folks,
For the health and happiness of users of this list, could we perhaps keep discussions to OSI Layer 5-1?
So who'll get the job of looking after process that examines whether people get cut off because a particular IP address downloaded X at time Y? You can be sure it won't be the sales, marketing, legal, HR, finance people in your organisations! By the way, if we allow only Layers 5-1 in this forum, then we'd remove all mail, web and other application nonsense. Fine by me! andy _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1994 - Release Date: 03/11/09 08:28:00 _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unless otherwise stated, any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not represent those of Vodafone New Zealand Limited.