In that case let me add a 'me too'
vote. I agree with the suggestion that Randy's putting an extreme
motion forward in the hope of perhaps provoking discussion (surely
he doesn't actually think this?) and perhaps in seeing a 'lesser'
result.
By keeping the process for discussing and making change readily
accessible, you're not putting virtual barriers up.
Fundamental to an 'open' system, surely?
I do feel that some of the APNIC mailing lists which wind up
discussing policy suggestions, can't necessarily shut down obscure
or just plain silly ideas quickly enough, but that's perhaps a
victim of the principle of openness. I'm not sure that shutting
down the process is the right way to go, however.
Mark. (All IMHO only etc.)
On 11/07/12 16:00, Dean Pemberton wrote:
I agree.
While the proposer suggests that new policies could be taken
to the APNIC EC. That appears like a much harder and top-down
approach than we have now.
Your reply is what I need to hear more of in order to give a
strong message at the members meeting.
Dean
On Wednesday, July 11, 2012, Jordan Carter wrote:
Maybe an obvious point but: how would we know, today,
everything about what we need re IP numbering policies in
future?
Some form of PDP is a basic thing to keep going, in case
changes are needed in future.
So let me ask a simple question.
Do people think that there is a need to develop any
more IP policies? Or are all the policies we have the
moment sufficient for the future?
Dean
On Tuesday, July 10, 2012, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote:
I think Randy's taking
the wrong tactic with this.
Policy needs to be a series of no-rules cage fights
or, maybe, something along the line of gladiator
traditions in Roman time.
Then it could be televised, a profit made and APNIC
run from that profit rather than charging for IP
addresses and ASes.
MMC
On 09/07/2012, at 6:08 AM, Dean Pemberton wrote:
> Morning all,
>
> Randy Bush (from IIJ in Japan) has just tabled
a policy for discussion
> at the August APNIC members meeting.
> Essentially if passed this would see the APNIC
policy development
> process disolved.
>
> I'm interested in feedback that people on this
list may have, and I'm
> happy to pass it along on the sig-policy list
or in person at the
> meeting.
> As always, feel free to contribute to what I'm
sure will be heated
> discussion on the APNIC sig-policy list. I'll
try and summarise the
> happenings back here.
>
> Regards,
> Dean
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Andy Linton <asjl@lpnz.org>
> Date: Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 5:32 AM
> Subject: [sig-policy] prop-103-v001: A Final IP
Address Policy Proposal
> To: SIG policy <sig-policy@apnic.net>
>
>
> Dear SIG members
>
> The proposal "prop-103-v001: A Final IP
Address Policy Proposal" has
> been sent to the Policy SIG for review.
>
> It will be discussed at the Policy SIG at APNIC
34 in Phnom Penh,
> Cambodia, Thursday, 30 August 2012.
>
> We invite you to review and comment on the
proposal on the mailing list
> before the meeting.
>
> The comment period on the mailing list before
an APNIC meeting is an
> important part of the policy development
process. We encourage you to
> express your views on the proposal:
>
> - Do you support or oppose this
proposal?
> - Does this proposal solve a problem
you are experiencing? If
> so, tell the community about your
situation.
> - Do you see any disadvantages in this
proposal?
> - Is there anything in the proposal
that is not clear?
> - What changes could be made to this
proposal to make it more
> effective?
>
> Information about this and other policy
proposals is available from:
>
> https://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/prop-103
>
> Andy, Skeeve, Masato
>
>
>
-------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> prop-103-v001: A Final IP Address Policy
Proposal
>
>
--------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Author: Randy Bush
> <randy@psg.com>
>
>
> 1. Introduction
> -------------------
>
> IPv4 is history, with no need to add more
policy. IPv6 is sufficiently
> plentiful that further policies are not needed.
So let us agree to make
> no more IP address policies or proposals.
>
>
> 2. Summary
> ----------------
>
> The APNIC community spends time and resources
proposing, discussing,
> arguing, ... about IP address policies out of
habit. The process is no
> longer relevant to actually coordinating the
prudent and high quality
> operation of the internet.
>
>
> 3. Situation in other RIRs
> ---------------------------------
>
> There is an industry of policy wannabes
spending inordinate time and
> resources making endless policy proposals about
miniscule issues and
> baroque corner cases. This is a waste of time
and other resources.
>
>
> 4. Details
> -------------
>
> The policy proposal and decision processes
should be closed and stopped
> after the Phnom Penh meeting.
>
> Should an emergency arise, where community
consensus is needed, the EC
> can organize fora for forming that consensus.
>
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