On Sun, Jul 05, 1998 at 10:44:15PM +0000, Andy Linton wrote:
Here's an extract from a recent messaage we got about one of our customers from someone at an NZ ISP.
The above server was detected trying to deliver mail from known bogus addresses to our servers and subsequently tested positive to a basic spam relaying check.
As an open spam relay, it has been added to the rbl.shub-inter.net DNS blackhole, used by a few dozen ISPs worldwide and around 10 ISPs within NZ. This will already be affecting your connectivity.
The Shub-inter.net blackhole was created as an adjunct to the rbl.maps.vix.com blachole, which is used by approximately 10,000 servers worldwide. Its purpose is to provide filtering against sites which are open relays, but which have not made it into the vix.com list.
Addition to the vix.com list is only a matter of time if the server is left as-is.
Removal from the shub-inter.net list is only achieved by fixing the open server.
I have a number of questions for the group:
1) Is anyone here part of this arrangement?
Yes. Several NZ sites use this, probably affecting over a thousand or so NZ domains (the later is guess extrapolated from what I know and what I assume so could be completely bullshit, it may in fact be half of this value or considerable greater).
2) Are people here happy that a group of individuals, ISPs etc are operating in this way? I'd prefer to see 'offenders' being approached and given the opportunity to mend their ways before unilateral action is taken.
I used to like the gentle approach (ie. Paul Vixies rbl.vix.com) - except the spam is a very time consuming expensive issue to deal with. If your not clue less, you won't get bitten. If you are clue less, and have been bitten by this, and can't resolve the problems, then do the world a favour and take your self out of the gene pool. [Yes, a bit harsh, but I'm sick of dealing with spam these days]
3) Has anyone any opinion on whether a group acting in this way forms a cartel which restrains trade? I feel it might well do.
Use of rbl.shub-inter.net is voluntary, as as many other spam blocking systems. To date, I've had no complaints and a significant amount of praise since using rbl.shub-inter.net, so I'm currently of the opinion that is more of a win than a loss. However, if this - or any other system, looks like it going to restrict freedom more than spam presently does, then I for one will discontinue using it. -Chris --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog