Re: [nznog] An 'end to end' Internet (was Re: UFB 1 gig plans for retail and impact they have)

Jed, +1 to what Macca is saying. Particularly in NZ/AU. The internet will become far more of a user—>content network affair down your side of the pacific than in places where transit is cheap and easy. Content is coming closer. You can get almost all of it in NZ, and between Caches and POP deployments, more and more arrives in NZ every year. The cost of peering at the IXs is not even worth factoring. The cost of transit in NZ is huge. While it’s reasonable on your shiny new UFB thing to expect to get full rate to all this cached content (which has a minimal cost), you can’t expect your ISP to provide you 1Gbit access to the USA from NZ without the user shelling out some serious money (or the ISP making a massive loss!). Cheers, Hoff

On 9/11/2014, at 12:00 am, mcfbbqroast . wrote:

Really? Outside of the states I'm not swing this at all. Even within the states its just ISPs realizing there's no mutual benefit anymore, because the ISP market there is often mono- or duo- polistic.

Jed

On 4 Nov 2014 12:53, "McDonald Richards" mailto:mcdonald.richards(a)gmail.com> wrote: I should point out that I mean it purely as an "any service to any service from any host to any host" type of scenario :)

Maybe I should have phrased it as the days of unfiltered and unfettered provision of default residential services is coming to an end.

Macca

On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Michael Fincham mailto:michael(a)hotplate.co.nz> wrote: On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 08:38:56 +1300 Dean Pemberton wrote:

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I'm interested in teasing out people's opinions on this. Do people on the list agree with this statement?

A strong 'no' from me.

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Are we at a stage now where the only future people can see is one where 'any to any' connectivity is impossible. Are we at a stage now where the concept of an Open Internet is a thing of the past?

We are at a time when IPv6 is poised to rescue us from NAT and give us the Internet we actually want.

It makes little sense to turn the Internet in to a system for "delivering port 443✝" to centralised commercial operators (see Facebook et al and the problems inherent in this model) instead of embracing it as an open and empowering commodity, one where the greatest protocols and outcomes are likely still to be realised.

✝ At least we're finally getting the message about TLS, perhaps.

-- Michael

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