On Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 03:23:35PM +0800, T McC wrote: Please find attached an Open Letter to all ISPs in New Zealand and all users of NZNOG. Sigh... This is in no way to be treated as SPAM. By what logic? The same logic I assume that if I see a comment and the end of an email message saying "This email message has been scanning by Snorkel Soft Anti-Blah Bloatware to ensure it is free of condoms and other prophylactics" --- I can disengage my brains and assume this to be correct? It is in response to the many misconceptions and uninformed comments made by ISPs in New Zealand and users of NZNOG as a result of the email I sent to ISPs in New Zealand asking them to adjust their server settings to accept access to the .z extension. Please read it and if any one has any comments or requires any further information please contact me. Well... I probably should ignore this, but since I'm feeling terrible and bitching always seems to help[1]: -- Generally I would recommend when sending email to a large group of people, restrict your content to text/plain and word-wrap and 80 columns or less -- Don't send large proprietary documents to a list, a better option would be to using HTML and post a URL to this document 95k Microsoft Word documents are almost certainly not acceptable I have made a quick attempt at converting this to HTML using Microsoft Word --- which as many would guess, does a _terrible_ job of this: http://f00f.org/morons/ol.html and I can't be bothered fixing it up (I've leave that to Joe!) -- As pointed out above, claiming something isn't SPAM doesn't make it so -- Why should _anybody_ want to do as you ask? You complain nobody has contacted you? You need to do something to prove your not a crank or marketroid with no clues, otherwise these people will exercise the delete key(s) (or clicky thing for those afraid to use a real MUA) -- By claiming most ISP have not taken "time to investigate ADNS.net or ORSC" is simply wrong and somewhat insulting --- many if not all ISPs will be familiar with such concepts preached and have already made decisions on how they choose to deal with them (or not deal with them, if that is the case) -- I repeat --- saying something isn't SPAM doesn't make it so -- I'm curious, what is WAPTERIX? -- I thought only marketroids talk about domains as always having 'www' prepended to them? -- Some of the people you quote have been around for a long time, they have much experience and whilst many are not as famous as Bill Gates, they have garnered far more respect -- You state: "Had Andy, as with all ISPs, taken the time to investigate ORSC and ADNS.net he would have seen that ORSC has a large number of regular users and has been around for some time." which is misleading. According to ADNS themselves, they received less than three million requests last month, barely a trickle. For comparison, checking ONE of several name-servers for a not-so-small NZ ISP that I would expect to be fairly quiet, I can see it alone does 12 million requests per month --- and it several and is not expect to experience a high load (in fact, most people won't even know it exists, it is almost exclusively used for services) -- You state: "... we have the right to choose whatever extension we desire to operate our business under." which is totally correct. And I will point of the rest of the world has the right to ignore you if they feel you have no authority or technically ability, if they think you are a crank or simply because they can't be bothered -- You complain nobody attempted to contact you... how is that anyones but YOUR problem? Heck, I keep asking people to send me money for no good reason, somehow though it just hasn't been successful. I guess the world is to blame, not me though. -- Don, whom I normally refrain from agreeing with :) stated: "Anyone who thinks alternative roots are a solution doesn't understand the problem with the DNS." actually make some sense here. Your response: "Obviously Don never investigated ORSC or else he would have seen that ORSC not only have their own servers spread throughout the world but also access the same servers currently accessed by ISPs to access .com, .net, .org, .co.nz etc" only reinforces this comment. The problem Don alludes to is alternative roots don't solve fundamental problems and in many ways make things worse --- having few or many name-servers with or without technicoloured stripes doesn't matter all that much -- claims are made that earthlink and @home amongst other people are supporting this --- attempts to query for ADNS domains from the Earthlink name-servers doesn't work for me (I didn't try very hard, twice then gave up). I assume you mention earthlink and @home to lend credibility to ADNS? I don't really follow the reasoning here. Microsoft is the worlds largest software producer... that hasn't made them very credible in as far as quality, security and elegance of design goes. In fact, their software is widely regarded as some of the worst out there by some --- and some of the best by others. We are all free to our own opinions and to make our own decisions (well, lets just pretend anyhow) -- The claim is made "Visibility of ORSC Top-Level domains jumps 54% in March." --- please define this and demonstrate it is indeed accurate My attempts to resolve "the.earth" using a list of name-servers produced as follows: - AXFR co.nz domain from ns99.waikato.ac.nz - extract as many name-server candidates as possible by looking for lines containing "IN NS ..." and use the name-server column - sort these by popularity, the assumption being the most frequent will be the most popular (maybe complete lies) - use the top 100, query each on for "the.earth" IN ANY and see what response we get and I got a total of 0 positive results, making this about as popular as the "Helen Clark Rervealed" Playboy Special. I expanded this to nearly 4900 name-servers and its still running as I write this, so far I have got a staggering 0 hits! Really, tell us what problem you are trying to solve, forget the marketing stuff and explain how, by configuring their name-servers for these alternative roots, NZ ISPs will benefit. Easier still, actually do something useful such that customers will _request_ NZ ISPs support these domains, surely none of them are going to ignore customer demand? --cw [1] "I'll try to be more tolerant if you try to be smarter" sort of bitching. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog