Re: [nznog] "What's the hourly price for a /24?"

Evening, Pardon my ignorance of the APNIC list discussions, but is the point to: 1. allow /24s to be used by different ASes for short periods of time to handle peak demands? I can only think of mobile IP providers in different timezones being a "sensible" example of this. 2. to allow ASes to claim a need for addresses based on short term customer uses? This is an edge case; I've run a couple of events where I needed a /26 for a weekend, which was taken from the provider's existing pool. 3. to mark addresses as leased (i.e. cloud servers) to avoid blacklist hell for the next poor unfortunate soul to use them? (glhf?) Thanks, Jed. Righto. I've chosen to reply to this post because after this it really gets into "Why can't we have IPv6 already!". While thats a useful topic, It's not the one I'm looking for an answer on. Anyway. Correct me if I'm wrong but the summary of the discussion so far seems to be: Leasing is ok. Anything to get me the IPv4 hit I need. There are some issues around legislation but that may only be a problem for the lessor not the RIR. We've been leasing for ages already, this is just more of the same. Needs based has never been about actually deploying things (I think thats worth clarifying with APNIC, which I'll do). Sometimes it has been about giving them to customers for a price, and that looks kinda like leasing. Have I misrepresented anything here? Anyone have any counterpoints? Dean -- Dean Pemberton Technical Policy Advisor InternetNZ +64 21 920 363 (mob) dean(a)internetnz.net.nz To protect and promote the Internet for New Zealand. On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Jonathan Brewer wrote:

On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Juha Saarinen wrote:

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On 2/10/2013, at 5:16 PM, Joel Wirāmu Pauling wrote:

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Not at all, the responsibility for what happens with the space is entirely with the lessor. There's no reason for the public to ever know

who

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a lessee is.

I am almost positive that there will be Legislative barriers to not keeping a record; if not now then at some point in the future. Given that even the new Syslog Spec requires a centralized DB of 'EnterpriseID' 'MUST' be included in a syslog entry; for legislative purposes - Big brother would not be happy to see leased IP's being officially moved around without some oversight.

That amended Copyright Act, which assumes IP address = an actual subscriber, needs it for instance.

That doesn't change what I said. In the case of leased space, It'll be the responsibility of the lessor, and not the RIR, to comply with whatever laws they're governed by. If that means the lessor needs to keep a database of who they leased the address space to on a minute-by-minute basis, then it's the lessor's problem, not the RIR's. No need to extend whois to take care of this function.

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