Hi,
NOC lists are useful if people believe the data is accurate and upto date.  What���s worse is when people no longer feel they can trust it (either contacts have changed, companies gone out of business, been bought etc).

I���d love to see a few simple changes to the NZNOG list:
- a link to a peeringdb entry if one exists 
- a date when an entry was updated - even a ���marked current at <x date>"
- potential comment on whether this entry is upto date or not - (eg. may have been merged with <x> or something similar).

MMC




On 27 May 2017, at 4:37 AM, Nathan Ward <nznog@daork.net> wrote:

Hi,

I think the intersection of networks who should be listed on a NOC list and networks but who don���t (and are unlikely to ever) peer is around 3, and of those networks I suspect that all of them already have relationships with their customers for issues. If you want your info to be available, perhaps post it on your website.

Additionally, I don���t believe you need to peer to be in PeeringDB.

On 27/05/2017, at 5:44 PM, Peter Ensor <Peter.Ensor@ultrafast.co.nz> wrote:

The advantage of this list http://www.nznog.org/noc-list is that companies like Ultrafast Fibre can be listed whereas UFF won't be in the peering dB because we don't peer.

There will be other LFCs and perhaps other networks that people may wish to contact that won't be in the peering db.

Hence my vote is for the noc-list.

Cheers,

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Ultrafast Fibre
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From: nznog-bounces@list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces@list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Michael Fincham
Sent: Friday, 26 May 2017 5:21 p.m.
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Subject: Re: [nznog] Reminder to update noc contact list/details

On Fri, 26 May 2017 13:31:10 +1200, Jonathan Brewer <jon.brewer@gmail.com> wrote:
> An NZ-specific NOC list is not all that useful anymore.

For contrast, I quite like having a local list so we're not dependent on PeeringDB (which is not to say I think people shouldn't update PeeringDB, it's still useful). The Internet is all about decentralisation after all.

For some reason it doesn't look like you can query PeeringDB for networks in in a particular country (only Exchanges and Facilities), which I suspect makes automating a list of NZ operators oddly complicated to achieve.

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