OK ... Continuing the line of devil's advocate, both Rowan and John have some pretty good points, however I think some service providers I know of still see the current IRR as a particularly annoying technology for the delaying of route propogation on the network, rather than a means for ensuring reliability and stability in the network. Therefore any solution the IX's would employ would have to have some clear guidelines and procedures. So to continue, given that the issue of provider based addressing is covered off, and some agreement of the use of maintainer IDs is made to ensure people do not prevent thier customers from moving from provider to provider, how would people envision the RR being deployed : - I assume the major IX points would tell their customers they must add their networks to whichever RR they decided to use. Otherwise no gaurantee could be provided for the acceptance of their routes. - I also assume the IX points would not be able to enforce whether a customer listens to the RR or not, allowing each customer to choose which routes they learnt. - Who would determine if each IX would enforce use of the RR, I particularly mean the WIX and AIX here, as the University Of Waikato does have some influence over the rules employed at NZIX. ie. What if Joe-MegaISP decided putting their routes in the RR was "disadvantageous" to their business or their customers (say for privacy reasons), he might complain that using the RR was anti-competitive. Would there be a legal case for this ? - Given that we use the Merit RADB, who would handle disputes in entries in that database, if we used our own who would set policy there and resolve disputes ? Again ... I don't want to sound completely negative, just prompting thought. I think with a little more discussion, and after a few more views from the others on this list we could consider a round-table, but lets check the broad interest first. Arron Scott Telecom NZ _________________________________________________________________________ Arron Scott Phone: ++64-9-3569687 Service Specialist Fax: ++64-9-3794790 Service Implementation & Management Group Cell: ++64-25-883163 Telecom NZ Ltd eMail: arrons(a)netgate.net.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog