http://ipcacoal.org/ipcacoal/includes/kiwi.htm Firefox/Thunderbird often picks up a lot of this crap. I don't know how it's done. I don't know how you give the browsers the heads up so this crap doesn't impact other users who have less clue than the likes of us. I don't know if ISPs are putting blocks in for this sort of crap in their proxys. I don't know if KiwiBank have an active team dealing with this sort of rubbish, though I get hit with them quite often, so clearly someone has KB in their sights. I do appreciate that some of this is just noise and business as usual, but I welcome any comment on or off list. As operators or people with some level of clue, I do consider it our role to take some ownership. D -- Don Gould 31 Acheson Ave Mairehau Christchurch, New Zealand Ph: + 64 3 348 7235 Mobile: + 64 21 114 0699