Little article here by the usual suspect: http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/UNID/B67C1AFC59BD060FCC256EC900164A26?OpenDocument&pub=Computerworld "According to several ISP sources who did not wish to be named, a month's megabit-per-second-level connection of TelstraClear's Domestic Internet Service will cost $160 plus GST. Purchase of TelstraClear circuits will also be required. " It would be interesting to see at what bandwidth the link will be worth getting, for small ISPs the circuit cost will probably mean it's just cheaper to use either their existing International link or another domestic provider to deliver the bandwidth. Even for larger providers the revenue is only going to be one or two thousand per month each. Not much to compensate for pissing everybody else off. And the larger providers will have plenty of options like sending Telstra customers like Waikato University bills to route their traffic nationally. -- Simon J. Lyall | Very Busy | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/ "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT.
I hope ISP's stand together and don't peer with "T". That way all "T" customers will have slow internet connectivity to all NZ sites and make "T" purchase a line into those content providers. O.K. those websites such as trade me and the rest will suffer for a month or so, but "T" will suffer more when they realize that they may have a fat international pipe, but the smaller players don't and they would be delivering content at slow speeds. Hell, maybe those sites in question can start selling their own visp connections. "This site loading slowly; well we see you're connecting from X whom decided to De-peer from the NZ Internet, do you want internet at $X where we will provide you better connectivity". This way everyone wins. Content providers can then extend their services to ISP servers and start to tap into the market and make extra competition for the big players. My 2c. Barry -----Original Message----- From: Simon Lyall [mailto:simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz] Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 11:12 AM To: nznog Subject: [nznog] Telstra peering pricing. Little article here by the usual suspect: http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/UNID/B67C1AFC59BD060FCC256EC900164A26?Op enDocument&pub=Computerworld "According to several ISP sources who did not wish to be named, a month's megabit-per-second-level connection of TelstraClear's Domestic Internet Service will cost $160 plus GST. Purchase of TelstraClear circuits will also be required. " It would be interesting to see at what bandwidth the link will be worth getting, for small ISPs the circuit cost will probably mean it's just cheaper to use either their existing International link or another domestic provider to deliver the bandwidth. Even for larger providers the revenue is only going to be one or two thousand per month each. Not much to compensate for pissing everybody else off. And the larger providers will have plenty of options like sending Telstra customers like Waikato University bills to route their traffic nationally. -- Simon J. Lyall | Very Busy | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/ "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT. _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog
At 11:34 a.m. 7/07/2004 +1200, Barry Murphy wrote:
I hope ISP's stand together and don't peer with "T". That way all "T" customers will have slow internet connectivity to all NZ sites and make "T" purchase a line into those content providers.
Thats my view also. This thing we all work with is the Inter-net. An internetwork of networks. One network has decided to not interconnect the most efficient way, despite all our advice. I don't think we should change the philosophy of the Internet as a whole, going back 30 odd years. It all points to a decision maker who really doesn't understand the Internet. rich
Richard Naylor wrote:
It all points to a decision maker who really doesn't understand the Internet.
It seems to be the result of a policy change that's been in the works for a while. See this CW story by Paul Brislen, for instance, which refers to the way the Aussies do it: http://snipurl.com/7kd2 -- Juha
The thing I find very hypocritical is TCL's big whinge on Holmes about the telecommunications commision's decision to not unbundle the local loop. How is their decision to depeer, any less ridiculous? -Richard Juha Saarinen wrote:
Richard Naylor wrote:
It all points to a decision maker who really doesn't understand the Internet.
It seems to be the result of a policy change that's been in the works for a while. See this CW story by Paul Brislen, for instance, which refers to the way the Aussies do it:
Richard Patterson wrote:
The thing I find very hypocritical is TCL's big whinge on Holmes about the telecommunications commision's decision to not unbundle the local loop.
How is their decision to depeer, any less ridiculous?
You would also think that since the depeering will have profound operational effects on just about NO in NZ, TCL would come out of hiding and explain itself better. -- Juha
Juha Saarinen wrote:
You would also think that since the depeering will have profound operational effects on just about NO in NZ, TCL would come out of hiding and explain itself better.
Please add "every" just before "NO" (network operator) above, for increased intelligibility. -- Juha
Barry Murphy wrote:
I hope ISP's stand together and don't peer with "T". That way all "T" customers will have slow internet connectivity to all NZ sites and make "T" purchase a line into those content providers.
No it won't. It will have TCL customers ringing content providers saying their servers are slow or broke. 2day.com already has a commitment to peer with as many access providers as possible, but we can't close our eyes and let traffic from TCL (or TCNZ) customers traverse an international path to reach our Takapuna Beach data centre. Unless our current International circuits to TCL will continue to deliver domestic transit (there seems to be an internal argument over that) we will forced to buy their new domestic product at whatever price they demand. regards -- Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2DAY INTERNET LIMITED http://www.2day.com "Hell, there are no rules here - we're trying to accomplish something!" Thomas A Edison
-----Original Message----- From: Peter Mott [mailto:peter.mott(a)2day.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 1:03 PM To: Barry Murphy Cc: 'Simon Lyall'; 'nznog' Then you tell your customers to look at the facts, ask them to try load sites such as trademe.co.nz , nzdating, etc and they will notice that all sites are slow and they should contact "T". Soon a lot of customers will be moaning at "T" and move away from the provider causing a loss. Other big customers of "T" will say "I purchased a national link from you, so why does traffic still route internationally". The only response they could give is "Well that customer doesn't buy national connectivity from us, so they are seen as an international site". There is only one main site I think "T" host and that's a bank . This would mean that the bank is going to have to take support calls from non "T" customers who claim their site is slow. That bank is then going to throw a fit and peer themselves to APE / WIX or change providers to keep customers happy. There are going to be customers affected on both sides of the ball park. And to comment on what Richard Patterson had to say on the holmes show, it's true, it's a joke. They were saying how they trying to speed up the internet in the country and that it's telecom slowing stuff down, but now Telstra have put their own spin on the game. 2Mb cable is not going to run at 2Mb any longer, most content providers only have a couple of Mb international, the fastest speeds you going to get is from US providers. On another note, having broadband speed is one thing, but having the content is another. "T" can provide the good speeds, but it's up to the rest of the country to provide the content and ridiculous peering doesn't help. What are "T" customers going to do in a couple of years when streaming TV channels like the r2.co.nz feed is the norm, ordering movies like PPV online, etc. Barry Subject: Re: [nznog] Telstra peering pricing. Barry Murphy wrote:
I hope ISP's stand together and don't peer with "T". That way all "T" customers will have slow internet connectivity to all NZ sites and make "T" purchase a line into those content providers.
No it won't. It will have TCL customers ringing content providers saying their servers are slow or broke. -- Peter Mott
Just curious if anyone else that uses TelstraClear are having a bit of a slow down on international (ausy) right now? cheers Gavin
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