Hi there People We (Orcon Internet) have been considering a connection to APE for quite some time, and it is becoming more and more important for us to get this set up. The reason is that our Global Gateway domestic connection does not connect satisfactorily to a number of NZ ISP's (e.g. Asia Online), and this is important to us because otherwise we have to pay International rates to connect to them. Additionally, we have 30 NZ ISP's that sit behind our network and some of them have been expressing a desire for us to have a connection at APE as well. Because of the amount of traffic that we foward domestically, I don't think that a 2Mbit connection will surfice - so we will probably have to put in a 10Mbit link. Obviously a 10Mbit link needs to be carried over ATM or IPExpress. we don't want to use IPExpress to connect to the sky tower as I am concerned that if the quality of the service gets bad (packet loss / latency - Clear make no QoS guarantees on IPExpress), then BGP is not going to fall over to our Global Gateway Domestic - even if that is faster. So our only other option is to use ATM. However, Telecom tell us that if we want to purchase a 10Mbit PVC up the sky tower, then we need to have an ATM to terminate it on (which is going to cost us $4k for the ATM + The PVC charge + An ATM router + telehousing - which is expensive!) Clear offer a service where if you purchase a Frame Relay, IPExpress or ATM, then you can get a connection to APE for free (they just terminate it up the sky tower on their own equipment I guess) - but Telecom does not seem to do this. Anyone know how we can get a 10Mbit connection to APE via our Telecom ATM without having to pay for all the associated access fees at the sky tower end? Cheers Seeby Orcon Internet - www.orcon.net.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog