Which therefore begs the question: Should the .ac.nz and .school.nz 2LDs be moderated? Quoting "Josh Bailey" :

My goodness. I'll forward that on to my relevant contacts.

Only been at Vic a week and already squatters. ;)

On Thu, 21 Jul 2011, Jim Cheetham wrote:

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Today I've noticed complaints from users within .ac.nz that requests to "google" result in various survey or commercial search farm websites.

This seems to be down to the usual helpful browser/DNS completion trying * google * google.SITE.ac.nz * google.ac.nz

and finding 74.55.102.12 returning 53KB of assorted javascript.

We're going to redirect google.SITE.ac.nz to CNAME google.co.nz for now.

The wider question -- should google.ac.nz even exist?

-jim

cheja23p(a)maru:~$ whois google.ac.nz % New Zealand Domain Name Registry Limited % Users confirm on submission their agreement to all published Terms % version: 5.00 query_datetime: 2011-07-21T16:15:59+12:00 domain_name: google.ac.nz query_status: 200 Active domain_dateregistered: 2011-03-20T20:44:05+13:00 domain_datebilleduntil: 2012-03-20T20:44:05+13:00 domain_datelastmodified: 2011-07-04T15:22:04+12:00 domain_delegaterequested: yes domain_signed: no % registrar_name: Aust Domains registrar_address1: PO BOX 3333 registrar_address2: Adelaide Tce registrar_city: Perth registrar_province: WA registrar_postalcode: 6932 registrar_country: AU (AUSTRALIA) registrar_phone: +61 8 9422 0888 registrar_fax: +61 8 9422 0889 registrar_email: help(a)austdomains.com.au % registrant_contact_name: Scott Mcvey registrant_contact_address1: 23 Cicada Cl registrant_contact_city: Buderim registrant_contact_province: QLD registrant_contact_postalcode: 4556 registrant_contact_country: AU (AUSTRALIA) registrant_contact_phone: +61 75 4765069 registrant_contact_fax: +61 75 4765069 registrant_contact_email: scottmcvey2003(a)yahoo.com.au % admin_contact_name: Scott Mcvey admin_contact_address1: 23 Cicada Cl admin_contact_city: Buderim admin_contact_province: QLD admin_contact_postalcode: 4556 admin_contact_country: AU (AUSTRALIA) admin_contact_phone: +61 75 4765069 admin_contact_fax: +61 75 4765069 admin_contact_email: scottmcvey2003(a)yahoo.com.au % technical_contact_name: Scott Mcvey technical_contact_address1: 23 Cicada Cl technical_contact_city: Buderim technical_contact_province: QLD technical_contact_postalcode: 4556 technical_contact_country: AU (AUSTRALIA) technical_contact_phone: +61 75 4765069 technical_contact_fax: +61 75 4765069 technical_contact_email: scottmcvey2003(a)yahoo.com.au % ns_name_01: ns1.rookdns.com ns_name_02: ns2.rookdns.com _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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Definitely. I think from memory the only restricted 2tlds are .iwi.nz , . cri.nz , .govt.nz and .mil.nz . And I for one think things are fine as they currently are. Dave On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Don Gould wrote:

On 22/07/2011 12:01 p.m., Charlie Bailey wrote:

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Which therefore begs the question: Should the .ac.nz and .school.nz 2LDs be moderated?

Sorry? Are you saying I can currently register MyWordsOfChoice.ac.nz or MyWordsOfChoice.school.nz?

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On 22 July 2011 10:25, Dave Mill wrote:

Definitely. I think from memory the only restricted 2tlds are .iwi.nz , . cri.nz , .govt.nz and .mil.nz .

.health.nz and . parliament.nz are both moderated too. http://dnc.org.nz/story/moderated-second-level-domains And I for one think things are fine as they currently are.

Me too. When registrations were handled by University of Waikato, .school.nzand . ac.nz were moderated. When Domainz took over admin of .nz, they were un moderated. IIRC[1], the reason was it was too hard to define what a school and academic institute were. -- simon [1] this was back in the 90s

This is not a new issue. In 1998 I stood for election to ISOCNZ Council on a platform that school.nz and ac.nz should be moderated. I got elected but found out that no one actually wanted to be the moderator J Current 2LDs are Unmoderated -ac, co, geek, gen, maori, net, org, school Moderated - cri, govt, health, iwi, mil, parliament Archie is long dead! DPF From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Dave Mill Sent: Friday, 22 July 2011 12:25 p.m. To: Don Gould Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] google.ac.nz Definitely. I think from memory the only restricted 2tlds are .iwi.nz , .cri.nz , .govt.nz and .mil.nz . And I for one think things are fine as they currently are. Dave On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Don Gould wrote: On 22/07/2011 12:01 p.m., Charlie Bailey wrote: Which therefore begs the question: Should the .ac.nz and .school.nz 2LDs be moderated? Sorry? Are you saying I can currently register MyWordsOfChoice.ac.nz or MyWordsOfChoice.school.nz? _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

Failed to make it through the process from memory. Sent from my iPhone On 22/07/2011, at 12:44 PM, "Sam Sargeant" mailto:sam.sargeant(a)gmail.com> wrote: On 22/07/2011, at 12:37 PM, David Farrar wrote: Current 2LDs are Unmoderated –ac, co, geek, gen, maori, net, org, school Moderated – cri, govt, health, iwi, mil, parliament .. whatever happened to .bank.nz ? Sam. _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nzmailto:NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

A certain female systems administrator once had the e-mail address headmistress(a)sex.school.nz if my memory is correct! -----Original Message----- From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Don Gould Sent: Friday, 22 July 2011 12:23 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] google.ac.nz On 22/07/2011 12:01 p.m., Charlie Bailey wrote:

Which therefore begs the question: Should the .ac.nz and .school.nz 2LDs be moderated?

Sorry? Are you saying I can currently register MyWordsOfChoice.ac.nz or MyWordsOfChoice.school.nz? _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

On 22/07/11 Fri, Jul 22, 12:01, Charlie Bailey wrote:

Which therefore begs the question: Should the .ac.nz and .school.nz 2LDs be moderated?

Why?

In the real world you're allowed to operate any kind of school that teaches anything that you like and there are little to no controls on this. Restricting ac.nz to government approved schools wouldn't reflect this situation. On 22 July 2011 14:33, Charlie Bailey wrote:

There's a piece of me that just wants to respond 'why not'.....

But since you asked, my $0.02 (excl GST)...

The Communities of Interest described by the .school.nz and .ac.nz are discrete communities imbued with a sense of I guess, trust or respectability.....to me, entities using those 2LD's for mail or web should 'do what it says on the tin', i.e. be schools or academic institutions.

To quote the .health.nz moderation policy,

'The .health.nz namespace is moderated to preserve the authority of health and disability sector websites and email addresses, and to enable easy identification of the Sector on the Internet. This will give people confidence that they are dealing with bona fide health providers, improve security and privacy of patients? health information and simplify the implementation of health and disability sector networking'

I think the same principle applies to .ac.nz and .school.nz. Furthermore, there are registers of schools and academic institutions maintained by organs of government (minedu.govt.nz/nzqa.govt.nz/**tec.govt.nzhttp://minedu.govt.nz/nzqa.govt.nz/tec.govt.nz) that can be used as a reference for eligibility.

I'd also refer to policies around the use of .edu, .k12.org and the like in other jurisdictions.

Without oversimplifying, I think it comes back to maintaining the integrity of the 2LD for its community of interest; I think there's an inherent requirement for that integrity to be maintained for these two 2LDs in addition to the currently moderated ones, an integrity requirement that isn't present for the remainder of the .nz 2LDs.

I do wonder what minedu.govt.nz's official view on this is....

Quoting "Andy Linton" :

On 22/07/11 Fri, Jul 22, 12:01, Charlie Bailey wrote:

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Which therefore begs the question: Should the .ac.nz and .school.nz 2LDs be moderated?

Why?

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On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Andy Linton wrote:

On 22/07/11 Fri, Jul 22, 12:01, Charlie Bailey wrote:

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Which therefore begs the question: Should the .ac.nz and .school.nz 2LDs be moderated?

Why?

Also - I've been using my school.nz for over 11 years, would I get grandfathered in to acceptance and would only new applications get moderated? Or would I be forced to change everything I have that uses this domain along with the hundreds of places I've used my email to register etc. by relinquishing the registration and using some other unmoderated tld/2ld?

On 23/07/11 1:25 PM, "Timothy Goddard" wrote:

On Thursday 21 July 2011 16:16:30 Jim Cheetham wrote:

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The wider question -- should google.ac.nz even exist?

No, it's a registered trademark. I've let Google know and they can decide whether to make a complaint with the DNC. It's certainly diverting traffic from people intending to visit them so they'll probably be annoyed.

This has nothing to do with the DNC. They won't hand the domain over to google at all just because Google asked. If "Google Inc" want the domain they will have to offer "Scott Mcvey" money for it or take the case to www.wipo.int or alike in New Zealand. Saying all this.. IP means nothing if companies don't go after anyone. (tardme.co.nz for example. Seems like empty threats from Trademe (if the email is real (click on the picture))

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The DNC certainly won't hand a domain over to Google upon request, but also WIPO has no jurisdiction over .nz domains. Google could lodge a complaint with the .nz dispute resolution service at http://dnc.org.nz/story/drs-home if they were unhappy. DPF -----Original Message----- From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Craig Whitmore Sent: Saturday, 23 July 2011 1:55 p.m. To: Timothy Goddard; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] google.ac.nz On 23/07/11 1:25 PM, "Timothy Goddard" wrote:

On Thursday 21 July 2011 16:16:30 Jim Cheetham wrote:

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The wider question -- should google.ac.nz even exist?

No, it's a registered trademark. I've let Google know and they can decide whether to make a complaint with the DNC. It's certainly diverting traffic from people intending to visit them so they'll probably be annoyed.

This has nothing to do with the DNC. They won't hand the domain over to google at all just because Google asked. If "Google Inc" want the domain they will have to offer "Scott Mcvey" money for it or take the case to www.wipo.int or alike in New Zealand. Saying all this.. IP means nothing if companies don't go after anyone. (tardme.co.nz for example. Seems like empty threats from Trademe (if the email is real (click on the picture))

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