TelstraClear have rejected s92a
for those who haven't seen: http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology//2252415/TelstraClear-rejects-copyright-co... I believe this means that the law will be suspended and rewritten. -- Spiro Harvey UNIX Specialist, Writer, Editor http://twiddle.starforge.net.nz Give us this day our garlic bread and lead us not into vegetarianism but deliver us some pizza. +++ ATH0
sorry, engaged fingers before brain.. they reject TCF code, not s92a itself... -- Spiro Harvey UNIX Specialist, Writer, Editor http://twiddle.starforge.net.nz Give us this day our garlic bread and lead us not into vegetarianism but deliver us some pizza. +++ ATH0
From what I've picked up, Telstra rejecting The Code amounts to The Code being inconclusive and thus s92a is repealed...
Paraphrase of John Key "If the industry can't agree on a workable code of practice by the end of March, s92a will be reconsidered" Jeremy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeremy Lawson IT Consultant This message and/or any attached documents may contain Privileged and Confidential Information and should only be read by those persons for whom this message is intended. Other than where expressly stated to the contrary, the contents of this e-mail and/or any attached document(s) are not intended to be relied upon by any person. If you have received this E-mail message in error, please notify the sender immediately and remove all evidence of it.
Jeremy Lawson wrote:
From what I've picked up, Telstra rejecting The Code amounts to The Code being inconclusive and thus s92a is repealed...
It ain't repealed until the House repeals it.
Paraphrase of John Key "If the industry can't agree on a workable code of practice by the end of March, s92a will be reconsidered"
The term he used was "suspended" (which actually has no force in law) while the Government reworked the concept. ~mark
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:03, Mark Harris
Jeremy Lawson wrote:
From what I've picked up, Telstra rejecting The Code amounts to The Code being inconclusive and thus s92a is repealed...
It ain't repealed until the House repeals it.
Agreed, though if they were once again able to defer implementation, as they did from 28 February to 27 March, the could effectively extend that date, indefinitely. Kinda like copyright duration, limited, but effectively eternal.
Paraphrase of John Key "If the industry can't agree on a workable code of practice by the end of March, s92a will be reconsidered"
The term he used was "suspended" (which actually has no force in law) while the Government reworked the concept.
As above. I was concerned that TCL had signaled they would not adopt the Code, which is not binding even on TCF members, as opposed to withdrawing support from the Code within TCF, which as you note puts the kibosh on it. The article is pretty clear the latter applies.
~mark
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Hamish MacEwan wrote:
as they did from 28 February to 27 March, the could effectively extend that date, indefinitely. Kinda like copyright duration, limited, but effectively eternal.
The trigger to activate it is an Order in Council, so they can just hold off on that as long as they feel like it. Finlayson has signaled that he will take the matter in hand, but how much of that was stick-waving at the negotiatiors and how much actual intent, I have no idea. Finlayson was the only MP besides Tizard who spoke specifically in favour of it, though everyone except the Greens voted for it. http://tracs.co.nz/gripping-hand/back-on-the-oia-trail-s92a-this-time/ for a review of the history around its passing.
I was concerned that TCL had signaled they would not adopt the Code, which is not binding even on TCF members, as opposed to withdrawing support from the Code within TCF, which as you note puts the kibosh on it.
The article is pretty clear the latter applies.
Yes. I've posted the text of TelstraClear's letter on today's blog http://tracs.co.nz/gripping-hand/what-telstraclears-withdrawal-means-to-the-... Cheers ~mark (apologies for shameless self-promotion)
Mark Harris wrote:
Finlayson was the only MP besides Tizard who spoke specifically in favour of it, though everyone except the Greens voted for it.
Hamish has rightly reminded me that the Maori Party also voted against the Bill on the Second and Third Readings. ~mark
Spiro Harvey wrote:
sorry, engaged fingers before brain.. they reject TCF code, not s92a itself...
Actually, both, in that they've withdrawn from the Code (which needs unanimous TCF support, by their rules) because they think s92A is bad law and needs to be repealed ~mark
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