Did DNS replies for outlook.office365.com increase in size on Friday?
Hi all, Out of curiosity - did anyone else see the DNS replies for outlook.office365.com scoot over 512 bytes on Friday? An ANY query from here currently returns a 740 byte answer. Trying to determine if Microsoft changed something on their end or my customer's router unexpectedly lost the ability to deal with large DNS replies 8^) -- Michael
On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 10:09:31 +1200, Michael Fincham wrote:
An ANY query from here currently returns a 740 byte answer.
Follow up: one person replied off-list to say they'd also seen this break on Friday in (presumably) the same way. Several others replied with information on the responses they saw from their locations, some hovering just below the 500 byte mark and some either side of 200 bytes. It seems there is some inconsistency or "load balancing" going on :) Thanks everyone who responded off-list. -- Michael
On Sep 22, 2014, at 2:29 PM, Michael Fincham
Several others replied with information on the responses they saw from their locations, some hovering just below the 500 byte mark and some either side of 200 bytes. It seems there is some inconsistency or "load balancing" going on :)
The key is to ensure that end-customers (and network operators!) don't filter out DNS replies larger than 512 bytes in size, so that they can receive EDNS0 and DNSSEC (which requires EDNS0) replies.
I know you know this, just getting it on the record in case anyone is searching the archives trying to troubleshoot similar problems.
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Roland Dobbins
On 22 Sep 2014, at 3:44, Roland Dobbins
On Sep 22, 2014, at 2:29 PM, Michael Fincham
wrote: Several others replied with information on the responses they saw from their locations, some hovering just below the 500 byte mark and some either side of 200 bytes. It seems there is some inconsistency or "load balancing" going on :)
The key is to ensure that end-customers (and network operators!) don't filter out
53/udp
DNS replies larger than 512 bytes in size,
and also make sure they allow 53/tcp as well, since TCP transport is a requirement for the DNS protocol and not just for zone transfers,
so that they can receive EDNS0 and DNSSEC (which requires EDNS0) replies.
and other things that result in large responses. Note that for 53/udp transport the 512-byte limit is for the DNS message, and hence doesn't include the UDP and IP headers. Joe
On Sep 24, 2014, at 12:51 AM, Joe Abley
Note that for 53/udp transport the 512-byte limit is for the DNS message, and hence doesn't include the UDP and IP headers.
Yes. The things which do this are typically stateful firewalls and so-called 'IPS' systems, which are parsing the DNS message and which typically have some configuration switch equivalent to 'drop all DNS replies larger than 512 bytes', not ACLs on routers matching on overall packet length.
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Roland Dobbins
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