Hey Phil,
Why is it that ORBS can't verify this host when every other site in the
world can?
Nice bit of RBL fodder, really....
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Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 18:58:04 +1000
From: tom minchin
On Sat, 6 May 2000, Alan Brown wrote:
Hey Phil,
Why is it that ORBS can't verify this host when every other site in the world can?
Nice bit of RBL fodder, really....
Alan, I seriously doubt we are blocking orbs from anything....
On Sat, 6 May 2000, Sid Jones wrote:
Alan, I seriously doubt we are blocking orbs from anything....
So this would be...? [RelayTst(a)amersfoort alan]$ /usr/sbin/traceroute 203.97.144.41 traceroute to 203.97.144.41 (203.97.144.41), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 router (194.178.232.1) 0.871 ms 0.928 ms 1.077 ms 2 border (194.178.232.125) 0.834 ms 0.726 ms 0.688 ms 3 Vuurwerk.cust.ip.versatel.net (212.189.159.237) 1.132 ms 1.047 ms 1.152 m ... 16 199.37.127.190 (199.37.127.190) 284.622 ms 277.222 ms 288.499 ms 17 205.174.74.34 (205.174.74.34) 414.984 ms 406.353 ms 396.054 ms 18 FastEthernet0-0-0.pad19.Sydney.telstra.net (203.50.13.68) 399.113 ms 381.658 ms 405.766 ms 19 * * * 20 * * * 21 * * * 22 * * * ... 29 * * * 30 * * * Let's see, 203.97.128/17 and 203.98/18. Right? AB --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Try ping you dickhead, the host is there for anyone to connect to... Shane
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Alan Brown Sent: Saturday, 6 May 2000 21:55 To: Sid Jones Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Spammers in our midst.
On Sat, 6 May 2000, Sid Jones wrote:
Alan, I seriously doubt we are blocking orbs from anything....
So this would be...?
[RelayTst(a)amersfoort alan]$ /usr/sbin/traceroute 203.97.144.41 traceroute to 203.97.144.41 (203.97.144.41), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 router (194.178.232.1) 0.871 ms 0.928 ms 1.077 ms 2 border (194.178.232.125) 0.834 ms 0.726 ms 0.688 ms 3 Vuurwerk.cust.ip.versatel.net (212.189.159.237) 1.132 ms 1.047 ms 1.152 m ... 16 199.37.127.190 (199.37.127.190) 284.622 ms 277.222 ms 288.499 ms 17 205.174.74.34 (205.174.74.34) 414.984 ms 406.353 ms 396.054 ms 18 FastEthernet0-0-0.pad19.Sydney.telstra.net (203.50.13.68) 399.113 ms 381.658 ms 405.766 ms 19 * * * 20 * * * 21 * * * 22 * * * ... 29 * * * 30 * * *
Let's see, 203.97.128/17 and 203.98/18. Right?
AB
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On Saturday, May 06, 2000 Alan Brown wrote:
On Sat, 6 May 2000, Sid Jones wrote:
Alan, I seriously doubt we are blocking orbs from anything....
So this would be...?
[RelayTst(a)amersfoort alan]$ /usr/sbin/traceroute 203.97.144.41 traceroute to 203.97.144.41 (203.97.144.41), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
[unsuccessful trace]
Let's see, 203.97.128/17 and 203.98/18. Right?
Choosing a well-connected host more or less at random: bash-2.03$ traceroute 203.97.144.41 traceroute to 203.97.144.41 (203.97.144.41), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 [mumble] 2 [obfuscate] 3 [blur] 4 sjc-sea-oc3.sjc.above.net (216.200.0.185) 19.419 ms 19.862 ms 19.907 ms 5 pao-sjc-oc12.pao.above.net (209.133.31.150) 20.410 ms 19.950 ms 19.969 ms 6 telestra-abovenet-2.above.net (216.200.254.34) 20.587 ms 20.759 ms 20.125 ms 7 Serial1-1-0.nzsx-core1.Auckland.telstra.net (203.50.126.17) 155.478 ms 155.098 ms 155.678 ms 8 FastEthernet0-0-0.nzsx1.Auckland.telstra.net.nz (203.98.21.27) 155.915 ms 155.638 ms 155.355 ms 9 FastEthernet0-0-1.nzlq1.Wellington.telstra.net (203.98.21.25) 175.276 ms 176.032 ms 175.927 ms 10 203.98.56.178 (203.98.56.178) 174.444 ms 175.133 ms 175.276 ms 11 c8.wlg.netlink.net.nz (203.97.132.146) 175.075 ms 173.851 ms 174.420 ms 12 * * * 13 * * * 14 * * * 15 * * * 16 * * * 17 * * * 18 * * * ^C bash-2.03$ ping 203.97.144.41 PING 203.97.144.41 (203.97.144.41): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 203.97.144.41: icmp_seq=0 ttl=245 time=174.704 ms 64 bytes from 203.97.144.41: icmp_seq=1 ttl=245 time=175.323 ms 64 bytes from 203.97.144.41: icmp_seq=2 ttl=245 time=180.670 ms 64 bytes from 203.97.144.41: icmp_seq=3 ttl=245 time=177.609 ms ^C --- 203.97.144.41 ping statistics --- 4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 174.704/177.077/180.670/2.340 ms In other words, it's not just you. No criticism intended -- a certain tame paranoia is always worth cultivating. <R>< --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Sat, 6 May 2000, Rob Isaac wrote:
Choosing a well-connected host more or less at random:
10 203.98.56.178 (203.98.56.178) 174.444 ms 175.133 ms 175.276 ms 11 c8.wlg.netlink.net.nz (203.97.132.146) 175.075 ms 173.851 ms 174.420
That's not where the trace from amersfoort died.
bash-2.03$ ping 203.97.144.41 PING 203.97.144.41 (203.97.144.41): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 203.97.144.41: icmp_seq=0 ttl=245 time=174.704 ms 64 bytes from 203.97.144.41: icmp_seq=1 ttl=245 time=175.323 ms
--- 203.97.144.41 ping statistics --- 4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 174.704/177.077/180.670/2.340 ms
In other words, it's not just you.
OK, how about this then? [RelayTst(a)amersfoort alan]$ ping -c100 203.97.144.41 PING 203.97.144.41 (203.97.144.41): 56 data bytes --- 203.97.144.41 ping statistics --- 100 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss $ telnet 203.97.144.41 smtp Trying 203.97.144.41... (connection timed out) Here's what a check from Kansas City gives: moika-2.03$ /sbin/ping -c100 203.97.144.41 PING 203.97.144.41 (203.97.144.41): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 203.97.144.41: icmp_seq=0 ttl=240 time=294.670 ms 64 bytes from 203.97.144.41: icmp_seq=1 ttl=240 time=310.130 ms ... --- 203.97.144.41 ping statistics --- 100 packets transmitted, 99 packets received, 1% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 292.737/297.937/315.452/4.670 ms $ telnet 203.97.144.41 smtp Trying 203.97.144.41... Connected to cousins-cl41.netlink.net.nz. Escape character is '^]'. 220 cousins.in-newzealand.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.9.3/8.8.7; Sun, 7 May 2000 00:20:49 +1200 Looks pretty ORBS-tester specific to me. AB --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Sat, 6 May 2000, Alan Brown wrote:
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Alan, take it to private mail, eh? This is just a noisemaker. If you want to put someone in ORBS, put them in ORBS. You don't have to spam the rest of us telling us you're doing it. Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Looks fine to me deanp(a)slave% traceroute 203.97.144.41 traceroute to 203.97.144.41 (203.97.144.41), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 stairway.flatnet.gen.nz (203.22.110.129) 4.318 ms 3.529 ms 3.509 ms 2 melmax.ascend.com.au (203.22.110.1) 30.577 ms 27.828 ms 28.670 ms 3 melpipe.ascend.com.au (203.22.110.2) 40.107 ms 32.061 ms 32.206 ms 4 br6-f2.mel5.planet.net.au (202.161.31.65) 782.080 ms 770.781 ms 795.527 ms 5 br5.mel5.planet.net.au (202.161.14.1) 705.200 ms 752.850 ms 423.749 ms 6 atmsr-1-22.mi1.optus.net.au (202.139.39.133) 379.280 ms 379.954 ms 172.908 ms 7 Fddi6-1-0.lon14.Melbourne.telstra.net (139.130.55.1) 406.122 ms 501.709 ms 360.970 ms 8 GigabitEthernet3-0.lon-core4.Melbourne.telstra.net (139.130.239.247) 386.246 ms 496.854 ms 543.495 ms 9 Pos2-2.ken-core3.Sydney.telstra.net (203.50.6.97) 499.005 ms 800.072 ms 931.454 ms 10 Ethernet0.ken-core1.Sydney.telstra.net (203.50.13.2) 795.957 ms 622.708 ms 549.929 ms 11 GigabitEthernet5-0-0.pad-core1.Sydney.telstra.net (203.50.6.50) 952.556 ms 807.600 ms 787.017 ms 12 FastEthernet0-0-0.pad-gw1.Sydney.telstra.net (139.130.249.238) 234.458 ms 124.478 ms 679.119 ms 13 FastEthernet0-0-0.pad19.Sydney.telstra.net (203.50.13.68) 583.875 ms 191.203 ms 481.483 ms 14 Serial5-1-0.nzsx-core1.Auckland.telstra.net (203.50.126.10) 552.616 ms 655.539 ms 358.419 ms 15 FastEthernet0-0-0.nzsx1.Auckland.telstra.net.nz (203.98.21.27) 298.385 ms 603.818 ms 492.516 ms 16 FastEthernet0-0-1.nzlq1.Wellington.telstra.net (203.98.21.25) 757.118 ms 520.268 ms 391.004 ms 17 203.98.56.178 (203.98.56.178) 317.458 ms 258.638 ms 208.710 ms 18 c8.wlg.netlink.net.nz (203.97.132.146) 408.570 ms 389.811 ms 440.292 ms On Sat, May 06, 2000 at 09:55:12PM +1200, Alan Brown wrote:
On Sat, 6 May 2000, Sid Jones wrote:
Alan, I seriously doubt we are blocking orbs from anything....
So this would be...?
[RelayTst(a)amersfoort alan]$ /usr/sbin/traceroute 203.97.144.41 traceroute to 203.97.144.41 (203.97.144.41), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 router (194.178.232.1) 0.871 ms 0.928 ms 1.077 ms 2 border (194.178.232.125) 0.834 ms 0.726 ms 0.688 ms 3 Vuurwerk.cust.ip.versatel.net (212.189.159.237) 1.132 ms 1.047 ms 1.152 m ... 16 199.37.127.190 (199.37.127.190) 284.622 ms 277.222 ms 288.499 ms 17 205.174.74.34 (205.174.74.34) 414.984 ms 406.353 ms 396.054 ms 18 FastEthernet0-0-0.pad19.Sydney.telstra.net (203.50.13.68) 399.113 ms 381.658 ms 405.766 ms 19 * * * 20 * * * 21 * * * 22 * * * ... 29 * * * 30 * * *
Let's see, 203.97.128/17 and 203.98/18. Right?
AB
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On Sat, 6 May 2000, Sid Jones wrote:
How about we acted on a complaint informed the customer and since then they've done something about the problem....
Uh yeah, right..... http://www.mail-abuse.org/rss/tests/203.97.144.41.txt Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 10:15:33 GMT Last Mod: Sat, 06 May 2000 09:30:28 GMT You were saying? =====
On Sat, 6 May 2000, Alan Brown wrote:
On Sat, 6 May 2000, Sid Jones wrote:
How about we acted on a complaint informed the customer and since then they've done something about the problem....
Uh yeah, right.....
All I was offering was a plausible explanation, I'll restate it. We acted on a complaint informed the customer and since then they've done something about the problem. As you've so politely pointed out they are still open as of an our ago. I suggest you email abuse(a)telstra.co.nz and point this out and then the customer will be blocked until they do have it fixed. I am really not interested in scoring points here Alan, I would like to see this problem disappear as much as you. Cheers -- Sid --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Sat, May 06, 2000 at 10:18:30PM +1200, Alan Brown wrote: On Sat, 6 May 2000, Sid Jones wrote: > How about we acted on a complaint informed the customer and since then > they've done something about the problem.... Uh yeah, right..... http://www.mail-abuse.org/rss/tests/203.97.144.41.txt Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 10:15:33 GMT Last Mod: Sat, 06 May 2000 09:30:28 GMT You were saying? Alan, Don't be so harsh -- sendmail is a monstrosity at best, it's smap-checks are done is a really awful way so it's not hard for someone to block most but not all possible mechanisms for injecting spam. Now, I would suggest to EVERYONE that most people hear would like to hear less about specific open-relays and discussion thereof, so could perhaps everyone please refrain from all this nuisance? If you feel yo need to bitch about this comment then please do so _off_ the list. --cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
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