David Robb from IHUG and I have been talking about setting up a local MBONEesque system across APE or WIX, I was just wanting a show of hands as to who would want it, and how people think it should be implemented. Cheers James Tyson --- Samizdat New Media Solutions --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Fri, Feb 25, 2000 at 12:28:15PM +1300, James Tyson wrote:
David Robb from IHUG and I have been talking about setting up a local MBONEesque system across APE or WIX, I was just wanting a show of hands as to who would want it, and how people think it should be implemented.
Perhaps we could use it to multicast live ISONCZ council meetings. We'd need some way of protecting the minds of children from the rabid proceedings within, of course. Seriously though, does anybody have any live content they want to distribute? I could organise a home and transit for a live Sky Tower cam if someone feels like donating some hardware. Although this would be almost entirely useless, it would be (a) fun, (b) cool eye candy and (c) a "useful proof of concept" [1]. Joe [1] insert other rambling business-case phraseology to suit --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, Joe Abley wrote:
Seriously though, does anybody have any live content they want to distribute?
We're about to have some content streaming out of here (Windows Media thingy whatsit) which can be multicast I'm told... Hmm. <Looks at mpeg encoder box under desk>... anyone for streaming pr0n? :)
I could organise a home and transit for a live Sky Tower cam if someone feels like donating some hardware. Although this would be almost entirely useless, it would be (a) fun, (b) cool eye candy and (c) a "useful proof of concept" [1].
I have a cam I could supply.... David Robb --- Senior Network Engineer IHUG NZ "The Earth is a single point of failure" --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
I would like to be involved and could supply Live content which I am licensed in the form of BBC World 24 Hour and Radio New Zealand National Program 24 hour live. Some years ago 1997 we set the Radio New Zealand Site http://www.rnz.co.nz . In 1998 Peter Fitchett along with help from Josh Bailey and Dean were able to successfully enable multicasting to dial-in Xtra Users (where multicast rights are assigned) on the 087303030 dial-in network as well as to DDS clients where correctly configured. The BBC World is 24kbs RealVideo and the National Program is 16kbs RealAudio. Where to from here ? Best regards Michael Sutton +64 21 305500 voice +64 21 305002 facsimile +64 4 4759235 dungeon
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Joe Abley Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 12:53 To: James Tyson Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: NZ MBONE
On Fri, Feb 25, 2000 at 12:28:15PM +1300, James Tyson wrote:
David Robb from IHUG and I have been talking about setting up a local MBONEesque system across APE or WIX, I was just wanting a show
of hands as
to who would want it, and how people think it should be implemented.
Perhaps we could use it to multicast live ISONCZ council meetings. We'd need some way of protecting the minds of children from the rabid proceedings within, of course.
Seriously though, does anybody have any live content they want to distribute? I could organise a home and transit for a live Sky Tower cam if someone feels like donating some hardware. Although this would be almost entirely useless, it would be (a) fun, (b) cool eye candy and (c) a "useful proof of concept" [1].
Joe
[1] insert other rambling business-case phraseology to suit
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I would like to be involved and could supply Live content which I am licensed in the form of BBC World 24 Hour and Radio New Zealand National Program 24 hour live.
Some years ago 1997 we set the Radio New Zealand Site http://www.rnz.co.nz . In 1998 Peter Fitchett along with help from Josh Bailey and Dean were able to successfully enable multicasting to dial-in Xtra Users (where multicast rights are assigned) on the 087303030 dial-in network as well as to DDS clients where correctly configured.
The BBC World is 24kbs RealVideo and the National Program is 16kbs RealAudio.
Saw that. Xtra's APE connection isnt in yet (believe me, I want it to be), but when it is I am sure that we will reflect your multicast streams onto APE for all to see. I would probably suggest that someone donate a piece of equipment to be a multicast tunnel endpoint at APE, and nominate an admistrator to run it so that any ISP connected to APE can receve the multicast streams if they want it (without forcing it on them by broadcasting it across APE). Idea's anyone? James Tyson --- Samizdat New Media Solutions --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, Mike Sutton [ awacs ] wrote:
Where to from here ?
If no one here has a contact who'll provide some connection to the MBONE, I will put the request to a rather large international provider I have some dealings with. One problem with that is we need someone to be nice enough to front up with a router that we could land an MBONE tunnel on, and would configure MBONE tunnels/routing relationships with other ISPs. Another problem with that also, is that a large number of people here don't like me :-) or like dealing with me :-) (perfectly understandable); so if push comes to shove, if someone would email me privately and I can pass on the contact deals at this particular provider and they can take care of making the request on their organisation's behalf. -- Josh Bailey (joshbailey(a)lucent.com) "Josh is... at large" -- F.W. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
What kind of router would you like? 3600 with plenty of memory and several interfaces? lemme know Rgds Roger Josh Bailey wrote:
On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, Mike Sutton [ awacs ] wrote:
Where to from here ?
If no one here has a contact who'll provide some connection to the MBONE, I will put the request to a rather large international provider I have some dealings with.
One problem with that is we need someone to be nice enough to front up with a router that we could land an MBONE tunnel on, and would configure MBONE tunnels/routing relationships with other ISPs.
Another problem with that also, is that a large number of people here don't like me :-) or like dealing with me :-) (perfectly understandable); so if push comes to shove, if someone would email me privately and I can pass on the contact deals at this particular provider and they can take care of making the request on their organisation's behalf.
-- Josh Bailey (joshbailey(a)lucent.com) "Josh is... at large" -- F.W.
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What kind of router would you like?
3600 with plenty of memory and several interfaces?
Sounds good to me. As far as I am aware of the architecture at APE all we need is a 100Mb/s Ethernet interface, or maybe two for fast etherchannel if anyone donates the bandwidth for a full mbone feed. Who do we contact about installing new equipment at APE? Nominations for a non-discriminating person to run the reflector. Suggestions people? James Tyson --- Samizdat New Media Solutions --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, James Tyson wrote:
What kind of router would you like?
3600 with plenty of memory and several interfaces?
Sounds good to me. As far as I am aware of the architecture at APE all we need is a 100Mb/s Ethernet interface, or maybe two for fast etherchannel if anyone donates the bandwidth for a full mbone feed. Who do we contact about installing new equipment at APE?
Richard Naylor can presumably provide access to the cabinet, if you need that - 04 9170200.
Nominations for a non-discriminating person to run the reflector. Suggestions people?
I (we've :-) got a K6 400 linux box directly attached to APE that isn't doing a heck of a lot at the moment. If that'll do it, I'm happy to config it up. Likewise down here in Wellington, we've got boxes directly attached to WIX that could act as mbone reflectors. WRT the comment last week about modern switches handling multicast, I can report that an impromptu "test" performed yesterday morning involved a customer multicasting a full 100Mb stream straight onto Citylink. Our switches were perfectly happy about it, unfortunately, the majority of customers on 10Mb discovered that things were not as functional as normal. Citylink installing an airgap for the customer fixed the problem. Clients. Who needs them. Yeesh. Cheers Si --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
What kind of router would you like? 3600 with plenty of memory and several interfaces?
Sounds good to me. As far as I am aware of the architecture at APE all we need is a 100Mb/s Ethernet interface, or maybe two for fast etherchannel if anyone donates the bandwidth for a full mbone feed. Who do we contact about installing new equipment at APE?
Richard Naylor can presumably provide access to the cabinet, if you need that - 04 9170200.
Well equipment would be nice, firstly.
Nominations for a non-discriminating person to run the reflector. Suggestions people?
I (we've :-) got a K6 400 linux box directly attached to APE that isn't doing a heck of a lot at the moment. If that'll do it, I'm happy to config it up. Likewise down here in Wellington, we've got boxes directly attached to WIX that could act as mbone reflectors.
Have you ever actually used mrouted? Ick.
From my experience (and as much as I hate to say it) I think a cisco router is more appropriate for this type of deployment. At least you can force it to join groups, etc.
WRT the comment last week about modern switches handling multicast, I can report that an impromptu "test" performed yesterday morning involved a customer multicasting a full 100Mb stream straight onto Citylink. Our switches were perfectly happy about it, unfortunately, the majority of customers on 10Mb discovered that things were not as functional as normal. Citylink installing an airgap for the customer fixed the problem.
yeah. This is why I think instead of multicasting across the peering sites we have a central machine terminating tunnels to those requesting multicsat peering. This stops lower bandwidth customers from dealing with unwanted traffic.
Clients. Who needs them. Yeesh.
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On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, James Tyson wrote:
yeah. This is why I think instead of multicasting across the peering sites we have a central machine terminating tunnels to those requesting multicsat peering. This stops lower bandwidth customers from dealing with unwanted traffic.
I've always found CGMP to be a useful toy for controlling propagation of multicast traffic on a switch :) David Robb --- Senior Network Engineer IHUG NZ "The Earth is a single point of failure" --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
yeah. This is why I think instead of multicasting across the peering sites we have a central machine terminating tunnels to those requesting multicsat peering. This stops lower bandwidth customers from dealing with unwanted traffic. I've always found CGMP to be a useful toy for controlling propagation of multicast traffic on a switch :)
Yes, but this requres the maintainer to have access to the core switch(es) at APE. This is probably a nono. If we reduce it to a single piece of equipment that this person is responsible for making changes on then we reduce the chances of him/her accidentally cocking something up. James Tyson --- Samizdat New Media Solutions --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, James Tyson wrote:
Have you ever actually used mrouted? Ick.
Once was enough for me. :-)
From my experience (and as much as I hate to say it) I think a cisco router is more appropriate for this type of deployment.
At least for the upstream feed I was thinking of, they'd be a lot happier talking cisco to cisco.
we have a central machine terminating tunnels to those requesting multicsat peering.
Absolutely, in the (not the least) interests of administration. -- Josh Bailey (joshbailey(a)lucent.com) "Josh is... at large" -- F.W. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Have you ever actually used mrouted? Ick.
mrouted is made out of plutonium by the anti-christ. It should be avoid at all costs less you want to sacrifice your first born. I would suggest either use a cisco or if you must run something look at Zebra.
From my experience (and as much as I hate to say it) I think a cisco router is more appropriate for this type of deployment. At least you can force it to join groups, etc.
Absolutely...
yeah. This is why I think instead of multicasting across the peering sites we have a central machine terminating tunnels to those requesting multicsat peering. This stops lower bandwidth customers from dealing with unwanted traffic.
Multicast peering should be available to those who can support it. I know of two providers who in theory should have no trouble with it at all.
Clients. Who needs them. Yeesh.
Tell me about it.
Clients rule. Without them it becomes really hard to pay the bills. -cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Cor; how's this for intervendor co-operation. :) What the net's all about. On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, Roger De Salis wrote:
3600 with plenty of memory and several interfaces?
That'd do nicely. Assuming no one else steps up to get us an MBONE feed, and I hit up my friends at the Provider Of Which I Shall Not Speak Its Name, they'd be the most happy with a router whose config et al doesn't change very often. They're pretty darn busy (as are we all) and might get impatient and deconfigure the feed if it goes down and inconveniences them. -- Josh Bailey (joshbailey(a)lucent.com) "Josh is... at large" -- F.W. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Should anyone want to extend this to their Maxen/TNTs, please ask - I have some experience in this area. On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, James Tyson wrote:
David Robb from IHUG and I have been talking about setting up a local MBONEesque system across APE or WIX, I was just wanting a show of hands as to who would want it, and how people think it should be implemented.
-- Josh Bailey (joshbailey(a)lucent.com) "Josh is... at large" -- F.W. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, Josh Bailey wrote:
Should anyone want to extend this to their Maxen/TNTs, please ask - I have some experience in this area.
Yes please :) That's what I'm thinking of trying out. David Robb --- Senior Network Engineer IHUG NZ "The Earth is a single point of failure" --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, David Robb wrote:
Yes please :) That's what I'm thinking of trying out.
Coolness. :) Fire away! -- Josh Bailey (joshbailey(a)lucent.com) "Josh is... at large" -- F.W. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Subject: Re: NZ MBONE
On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, David Robb wrote:
Yes please :) That's what I'm thinking of trying out.
Coolness. :) Fire away!
-- Josh Bailey (joshbailey(a)lucent.com) "Josh is... at large" -- F.W.
I'm interested too. Shane --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
All the lurkers coming out of the woodwork now - maybe we should sell make an official Lucent Multicast training course =) Dean On Fri, Feb 25, 2000 at 07:14:06PM +1300, Shane Cole wrote:
Subject: Re: NZ MBONE
On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, David Robb wrote:
Yes please :) That's what I'm thinking of trying out.
Coolness. :) Fire away!
-- Josh Bailey (joshbailey(a)lucent.com) "Josh is... at large" -- F.W.
I'm interested too.
Shane
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On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, Dean Pemberton wrote:
official Lucent Multicast training course =)
Don't you bloody start; writing enough exam stuff already. It's just not the same, receiving a certificate on passing your own exam. Seriously; it sounds like there's enough interest here about multicast on Maxen to come up with a FAQ. I'll cook one up -- Josh Bailey (joshbailey(a)lucent.com) "Josh is... at large" -- F.W. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
James Tyson wrote:
David Robb from IHUG and I have been talking about setting up a local MBONEesque system across APE or WIX, I was just wanting a show of hands as to who would want it, and how people think it should be implemented.
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James Tyson wrote:
David Robb from IHUG and I have been talking about setting up a local MBONEesque system across APE or WIX, I was just wanting a show of hands as to who would want it, and how people think it should be implemented.
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Joe Abley -
Josh Bailey -
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Roger De Salis -
Shane Cole -
Simon Blake