We've redone the WIX website http://www.wix.net.nz/ and it now has links to the Looking Glass tool as well as some explanations of how we do things. I'm working on a similar revamp of the APE website and will announce in due course. andy
On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 07:04, Andy Linton wrote:
We've redone the WIX website http://www.wix.net.nz/ and it now has links to the Looking Glass tool as well as some explanations of how we do things.
I've now added a page describing IPv6 Peering on the WIX. See http://www.wix.net.nz/wix6.html. There's also an IPv6 Looking Glass at http://www.wix.net.nz//cgi-bin/mrlg-wix6.cgi Essentially if you're connected directly to Citylink we have an IPv6 address block for use on Citylink for peering purposes. If you go to someone like Freenet6 ( http://www.freenet6.net/ ) get a tunnel set up via them and get a /48 prefix, you can advertise that to the WIX6 route server (just one at present) and communicate with other IPv6 folks on Citylink without going off to some tunnel end point in North America. I'll be offering this in Auckland in the next few weeks as well.
At 03:34 p.m. 14/11/2003 +1300, Andy Linton wrote:
On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 07:04, Andy Linton wrote:
We've redone the WIX website http://www.wix.net.nz/ and it now has links to the Looking Glass tool as well as some explanations of how we do things.
I've now added a page describing IPv6 Peering on the WIX.
Great work Andy !! I know I'm getting old and will have to get glasses, but can you make the fonts a little larger please ? thanks rich
At 03:34 p.m. 14/11/2003 +1300, Andy Linton wrote:
On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 07:04, Andy Linton wrote:
We've redone the WIX website http://www.wix.net.nz/ and it now has
Can't wait for the ipv6 in auckland... If we go through a provider like
orcon for instance, will we be able to still peer via APE?
And btw, type: http://www.wix.net.nz/wix6.html
"This config should will also apply if you're using Zebra or Quagga "
Barry
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From: "Richard Naylor"
to the Looking Glass tool as well as some explanations of how we do things.
I've now added a page describing IPv6 Peering on the WIX.
Great work Andy !!
I know I'm getting old and will have to get glasses, but can you make the fonts a little larger please ?
thanks rich
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On 14 Nov 2003, at 04:26, Barry Murphy wrote:
Can't wait for the ipv6 in auckland... If we go through a provider like orcon for instance, will we be able to still peer via APE?
If you want to be able to reach the rest of the IPv6 internet, you will need a transit provider of some kind. Since it sounds like nobody in New Zealand is offering IPv6 transit, you'll need to look outside the country and gain v6 transit via a tunnel plumbed over IPv4. Andy's docs give some examples of people to talk to; Hurricane Electric is another well-established provider of IPv6 transit over tunnels that I don't think Andy mentions (see http://ipv6tb.he.net/). If every v6-reachable network in New Zealand uses tunnels to other countries to obtain v6 transit, then within-NZ v6 traffic will cross oceans, which is sub-optimal. Local peering (at the APE, the WIX or via tunnels plumbed over IPv4 between NZ endpoints) provides a local path so that local v6 traffic can stay local. The F root nameserver node at the APE will happily peer with anybody else there over IPv6. F has been able to be queried over an IPv6 address for some time (2001:500::1035), although there are currently no AAAA records in the root zone. An application to add an AAAA record for F has been submitted to IANA, but has not yet been actioned. Joe
Yeah, I already have a tunnel from Australia with a couple of /64's. I then have a php tunnel broker system where I delegate /112 's to people and a few /64's. I would be interested in peering with the F root server in Auckland, is there an application forms? Secondly if there is anyone interested in a /112 from Auckland (not for ISP transit) but people wanting to experiment, contact me off list. Barry -----Original Message----- From: Joe Abley [mailto:jabley(a)isc.org] Sent: Saturday, 15 November 2003 4:29 a.m. To: Barry Murphy Cc: Andy Linton; nznog; Richard Naylor Subject: Re: [nznog] IPv6 Peering on the WIX On 14 Nov 2003, at 04:26, Barry Murphy wrote:
Can't wait for the ipv6 in auckland... If we go through a provider like orcon for instance, will we be able to still peer via APE?
If you want to be able to reach the rest of the IPv6 internet, you will need a transit provider of some kind. Since it sounds like nobody in New Zealand is offering IPv6 transit, you'll need to look outside the country and gain v6 transit via a tunnel plumbed over IPv4. Andy's docs give some examples of people to talk to; Hurricane Electric is another well-established provider of IPv6 transit over tunnels that I don't think Andy mentions (see http://ipv6tb.he.net/). If every v6-reachable network in New Zealand uses tunnels to other countries to obtain v6 transit, then within-NZ v6 traffic will cross oceans, which is sub-optimal. Local peering (at the APE, the WIX or via tunnels plumbed over IPv4 between NZ endpoints) provides a local path so that local v6 traffic can stay local. The F root nameserver node at the APE will happily peer with anybody else there over IPv6. F has been able to be queried over an IPv6 address for some time (2001:500::1035), although there are currently no AAAA records in the root zone. An application to add an AAAA record for F has been submitted to IANA, but has not yet been actioned. Joe
On 14 Nov 2003, at 16:53, Barry Murphy wrote:
Yeah, I already have a tunnel from Australia with a couple of /64's. I then have a php tunnel broker system where I delegate /112 's to people and a few /64's. I would be interested in peering with the F root server in Auckland, is there an application forms?
Nope, just send mail to peering(a)isc.org. The addressing architecture for IPv6 strongly suggests delegating /48s to end sites, incidentally. In particular, assigning a prefix longer than a /64 will prevent people from using autoconfiguration.
Secondly if there is anyone interested in a /112 from Auckland (not for ISP transit) but people wanting to experiment, contact me off list.
APNIC members could get a /32 at no cost, last time I looked. Allocating a /112 is kind of hokey :-) Joe
Yeah means people have to manualy set the ipv6 addresses and do the routing. I can't get a /32 because Im not an APNIC member, maybe one of those people not wanting to use theirs could sponsor it to me :P Just means the people that do tunnel through me can use it for IRC, www, ssh or whatever they want. Seeing as I only have about 6 /64's I would only be able to delegate 5 of these away and everyone else would have to go internationally. Plus the system allows for people with dynamic ip's. Maybe you would like to be the broker seeing as you probably have a large /32 or summin :) Barry -----Original Message----- From: Joe Abley [mailto:jabley(a)isc.org] Sent: Saturday, 15 November 2003 11:00 a.m. To: Barry Murphy Cc: 'Richard Naylor'; 'Andy Linton'; 'nznog' Subject: Re: [nznog] IPv6 Peering on the WIX On 14 Nov 2003, at 16:53, Barry Murphy wrote:
Yeah, I already have a tunnel from Australia with a couple of /64's. I
then have a php tunnel broker system where I delegate /112 's to people and a few /64's. I would be interested in peering with the F root server in Auckland, is there an application forms?
Nope, just send mail to peering(a)isc.org. The addressing architecture for IPv6 strongly suggests delegating /48s to end sites, incidentally. In particular, assigning a prefix longer than a /64 will prevent people from using autoconfiguration.
Secondly if there is anyone interested in a /112 from Auckland (not for ISP transit) but people wanting to experiment, contact me off list.
APNIC members could get a /32 at no cost, last time I looked. Allocating a /112 is kind of hokey :-) Joe
On 14 Nov 2003, at 17:09, Barry Murphy wrote:
Yeah means people have to manualy set the ipv6 addresses and do the routing. I can't get a /32 because Im not an APNIC member, maybe one of those people not wanting to use theirs could sponsor it to me :P
The trick here would be to talk to your IPv4 transit providers (who probably are APNIC members), encourage them to get a /32 allocation from APNIC for their future use, and to assign you a /48 from it. Joe
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 04:59:47PM -0500, Joe Abley wrote:
On 14 Nov 2003, at 16:53, Barry Murphy wrote:
Yeah, I already have a tunnel from Australia with a couple of /64's. I then have a php tunnel broker system where I delegate /112 's to people and a few /64's. I would be interested in peering with the F root server in Auckland, is there an application forms?
Nope, just send mail to peering(a)isc.org.
Barry, unless you peer at APE you will not be able to peer with f.root in Auckland. Unless Joe wants to set up a tunnel.. which I doubt :) What are peoples thoughts on tunnels to APE and WIX connected machines so non APE and WIX people could readvertise thier freenet/he/'real' v6 space? I've mentioned on this list in the past that I would be happy to provide some hardware and give spare time for this purpose.. It would be nice if someone could provide 'better' international v6 paths other than freenet and he, perhaps this is something that could be provided with these tunnels? Who could provide a small ammount of international v4 transit for tunnels to various places? Perhaps there would have to be cost to people wanting to recieve international v6 connectivity over these tunnels.. Just a thought anyway, it'd be nice to have.. Nathan Ward
On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 06:33, Nathan Ward wrote:
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 04:59:47PM -0500, Joe Abley wrote:
On 14 Nov 2003, at 16:53, Barry Murphy wrote:
Yeah, I already have a tunnel from Australia with a couple of /64's. I then have a php tunnel broker system where I delegate /112 's to people and a few /64's. I would be interested in peering with the F root server in Auckland, is there an application forms?
Nope, just send mail to peering(a)isc.org.
Barry, unless you peer at APE you will not be able to peer with f.root in Auckland. Unless Joe wants to set up a tunnel.. which I doubt :)
What are peoples thoughts on tunnels to APE and WIX connected machines so non APE and WIX people could readvertise thier freenet/he/'real' v6 space? I've mentioned on this list in the past that I would be happy to provide some hardware and give spare time for this purpose..
I see no problem with this. I'm happy to discuss making a port available on the APE and/or WIX for such a gateway.
It would be nice if someone could provide 'better' international v6 paths other than freenet and he, perhaps this is something that could be provided with these tunnels? Who could provide a small ammount of international v4 transit for tunnels to various places? Perhaps there would have to be cost to people wanting to recieve international v6 connectivity over these tunnels.. Just a thought anyway, it'd be nice to have..
I've just done some ping tests from a host in Oregon which is connected on both the IPv4 and IPv6 backbones back to our Wellington router which is connected via IPv4 natively and via a Freeenet6 IPv6 tunnel. Here's the results: $ ping 203.118.144.98 PING 203.118.144.98 (203.118.144.98): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 203.118.144.98: icmp_seq=0 ttl=44 time=198.271 ms 64 bytes from 203.118.144.98: icmp_seq=1 ttl=44 time=193.658 ms 64 bytes from 203.118.144.98: icmp_seq=2 ttl=44 time=189.428 ms ^C --- 203.118.144.98 ping statistics --- 3 packets transmitted, 3 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 189.428/193.786/198.271/3.611 ms $ ping6 2001:470:1f00:ffff::8fd PING6(56=40+8+8 bytes) 2001:418:1::62 --> 2001:470:1f00:ffff::8fd 16 bytes from 2001:470:1f00:ffff::8fd, icmp_seq=0 hlim=59 time=200.105 ms 16 bytes from 2001:470:1f00:ffff::8fd, icmp_seq=1 hlim=59 time=201.242 ms 16 bytes from 2001:470:1f00:ffff::8fd, icmp_seq=2 hlim=59 time=194.456 ms ^C --- 2001:470:1f00:ffff::8fd ping6 statistics --- 3 packets transmitted, 3 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/std-dev = 194.456/198.601/201.242/2.967 ms Doesn't look like the IPv6 tunnel is having a major performance impact there. Clearly traffic to Australia will go the long way round and that's not so good. Let's get something working here and then worry about getting native IPv6 bandwidth sorted out. If we have a number of people doing this stuff then we'll be in a better position to find a way to aggregate that demand via the international providers.
On 15 Nov 2003, at 18:03, Andy Linton wrote:
Let's get something working here and then worry about getting native IPv6 bandwidth sorted out. If we have a number of people doing this stuff then we'll be in a better position to find a way to aggregate that demand via the international providers.
Just out of interest, are there any providers of international transit in NZ who are routing any IPv6 packets at all, production or not? There was a router in 4768 which provided some v6 transit over tunnels to a small number of customers back in 1997 or so, but I fully expect that didn't survive the move from Symonds Street to Takapuna (probably someone opened the wiring closet on the third floor and found it :-) Joe
On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 04:28, Joe Abley wrote:
On 14 Nov 2003, at 04:26, Barry Murphy wrote:
Can't wait for the ipv6 in auckland... If we go through a provider like orcon for instance, will we be able to still peer via APE?
If you want to be able to reach the rest of the IPv6 internet, you will need a transit provider of some kind. Since it sounds like nobody in New Zealand is offering IPv6 transit, you'll need to look outside the country and gain v6 transit via a tunnel plumbed over IPv4. Andy's docs give some examples of people to talk to; Hurricane Electric is another well-established provider of IPv6 transit over tunnels that I don't think Andy mentions (see http://ipv6tb.he.net/).
I use these guys myself at home but their web site wasn't working when I typed up the notes so I omitted the link. I have confirmed with them that it's OK and it's now back up so I will add it. This one has the advantage that you can get a BGP feed from them as well.
If every v6-reachable network in New Zealand uses tunnels to other countries to obtain v6 transit, then within-NZ v6 traffic will cross oceans, which is sub-optimal. Local peering (at the APE, the WIX or via tunnels plumbed over IPv4 between NZ endpoints) provides a local path so that local v6 traffic can stay local.
The F root nameserver node at the APE will happily peer with anybody else there over IPv6. F has been able to be queried over an IPv6 address for some time (2001:500::1035), although there are currently no AAAA records in the root zone. An application to add an AAAA record for F has been submitted to IANA, but has not yet been actioned.
Joe and I will arrange peering with the APE6 route server ASAP so you'll be able to see F-root via that mechanism if you peer with us or you can arrange to peer directly as well from what Joe has posted here.
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