Would someone from the xtra email team please be able to contact me offlist? Much appreciated. Simon
Simon wrote:
Would someone from the xtra email team please be able to contact me offlist?
Contrary to recent belief and practice, this list is not a system administrator or network administrator dating platform. Please, try and use the available contacts for these organisations: postmaster(a)xtra.co.nz, their 0800 number, their contact details listed on the usenet.net.nz/noc page, or just GIVE UP. Or, Xtra, contact these people ON LIST so they know who you are and we don't have 10 emails a month asking for the same thing. aj.
Sorry, who are you? -----Original Message----- From: Alastair Johnson [mailto:aj(a)sneep.net] Sent: Thursday, 7 December 2006 12:45 p.m. To: Simon Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] Xtra Email Administrators Simon wrote:
Would someone from the xtra email team please be able to contact me offlist?
Contrary to recent belief and practice, this list is not a system administrator or network administrator dating platform. Please, try and use the available contacts for these organisations: postmaster(a)xtra.co.nz, their 0800 number, their contact details listed on the usenet.net.nz/noc page, or just GIVE UP. Or, Xtra, contact these people ON LIST so they know who you are and we don't have 10 emails a month asking for the same thing. aj. _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog
Someone who is fed up with prats who like to flex their little muscles. Want to make this mailing list grind to a halt? Continue with your current practise of abusing users who don't fit into what you think should be posted - that would help discourage administrators and other users of this list. -----Original Message----- From: Alastair Johnson [mailto:aj(a)sneep.net] Sent: Thursday, 7 December 2006 1:09 p.m. To: Jo Foster Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] Xtra Email Administrators Jo Foster wrote:
Sorry, who are you?
I'm a professional angry man who extols the virtues of IPv4 and ATM. And you?
Jo Foster wrote:
Someone who is fed up with prats who like to flex their little muscles. Want to make this mailing list grind to a halt? Continue with your current practise of abusing users who don't fit into what you think should be posted - that would help discourage administrators and other users of this list.
How is requesting that people, when asking a question, parse it "thus" and then provide an example, being a "prat" ? What WILL make this list grind to a halt is increasing the subscription base to encompass whiny little end users that have no real operational relevance. What section do you fit into ? (hint: so far I have yet to see you add anything constructive AND relevant to this thread.) -- Steve.
This thread seems to be fast running out of operational relevance. It's time for it to stop. - Donald Neal List Administrator Donald Neal |The correct answer to most Support Engineer |engineering questions about Operations |network traffic is "it Alcatel-Lucent NZ Ltd |depends". - Priscilla Oppenheimer This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002.
I agree with Donald that the point has been made, However every post has clear operational relevance... 1. Again, some providers are not monitoring their correct channels and it's annoying people that they have to be asked to do so again and again and again. Frankly, it if take 200 messages to this list to get that point across today then I'm more than happy to keep marking the messages as read. How about an apology from xISP for not answering their 'correct' channel? - perhaps one to the original poster and another to the list!? 2. The correct 'operational channel' for getting the right information is being held in the trust of one person. See: http://www.tcn.bowenvale.co.nz/content/view/49/40/ I'm not going to wait for agreement on a solution... I'm about just delivering an answer today. It's not hard. Sign up for an account, maintain it your self. I can even put the page on an rss feed so that you get a heads up on changes. (I think). Note: In advance, to the person or persons who complains about what I've done... step and and I'll step down :) Cheers Don Donald Neal wrote:
This thread seems to be fast running out of operational relevance. It's time for it to stop.
I think some of the posts in this thread are getting a little abusive. Could people please keep it civil. Simon Wearing Moderator Hat. -- Simon J. Lyall | Very Busy | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/ "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT.
This is where over half the problem lies-
What WILL make this list grind to a halt is increasing the subscription base to encompass whiny little end users that have no real operational relevance.
Those "whiny little end users" pay your wages. If for any reason anyone has any issue or queries with my network I invite them to contact me directly and I will investigate / assist - regardless of the intially apparent merits of some cases - if people take the effort to make contact, they should be taken seriously in the first instance. Contact details for Net Trust Ltd (09) 839-1000 or 021 963-878 service (AT) nettrust (DOT) co (DOT) nz Thankyou and MTCW.
Aww come on people, don't rattle steves cage. You know he likes to rage it up, use words like noobie and clueless, and crack an e-phat. Please don't feed the troll. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Phillips [mailto:steve(a)focb.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, 7 December 2006 3:20 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] Xtra Email Administrators Jo Foster wrote:
Someone who is fed up with prats who like to flex their little muscles.
to make this mailing list grind to a halt? Continue with your current practise of abusing users who don't fit into what you think should be
Want posted
- that would help discourage administrators and other users of this list.
How is requesting that people, when asking a question, parse it "thus" and then provide an example, being a "prat" ? What WILL make this list grind to a halt is increasing the subscription base to encompass whiny little end users that have no real operational relevance. What section do you fit into ? (hint: so far I have yet to see you add anything constructive AND relevant to this thread.) -- Steve. _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog
On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 14:52:33 +1300, Jo Foster
Someone who is fed up with prats who like to flex their little muscles. Want to make this mailing list grind to a halt? Continue with your current practise of abusing users who don't fit into what you think should be posted - that would help discourage administrators and other users of this list.
Just for the record, people like AJ tend to dislike top-posters too. (It's all about ettiquite, I dare you to do dressage nakid and bareback.) - Drew
On Thu, 7 Dec 2006, Jo Foster wrote:
Sorry, who are you?
Someone who, like many of the rest of us, is sick of this list being used to get hold of people who can be reached through postmaster@<isp> and/or noc@<isp>. Why does a person have to have any standing to voice an objection to stupidity and ignorance being flaunted publicly on a regular basis? -- Matthew Poole "Don't use force. Get a bigger hammer."
probably an opportune time to remind people of this: http://www.usenet.net.nz/noc/index.html and a gentle suggestion to *all* operators to make sure the info is current (sorry Simon) jamie On Thu, 2006-12-07 at 13:21 +1300, Matthew Poole wrote:
On Thu, 7 Dec 2006, Jo Foster wrote:
Sorry, who are you?
Someone who, like many of the rest of us, is sick of this list being used to get hold of people who can be reached through postmaster@<isp> and/or noc@<isp>. Why does a person have to have any standing to voice an objection to stupidity and ignorance being flaunted publicly on a regular basis?
On 12/7/06, jamie baddeley
probably an opportune time to remind people of this: http://www.usenet.net.nz/noc/index.html
and a gentle suggestion to *all* operators to make sure the info is current (sorry Simon)
No problem at all! Thanks for that!
I've been trying to get our contact details updated on that list for about 12 months now. Repeated e-mails to both the admins have gone unresponded to (even went to the trouble of modifying the HTML and sending a replacement page so the work required was negligible). Perhaps it might be better relocated on some kind of wiki. jamie baddeley wrote:
probably an opportune time to remind people of this: http://www.usenet.net.nz/noc/index.html
and a gentle suggestion to *all* operators to make sure the info is current (sorry Simon)
jamie
On Thu, 2006-12-07 at 13:21 +1300, Matthew Poole wrote:
On Thu, 7 Dec 2006, Jo Foster wrote:
Sorry, who are you?
Someone who, like many of the rest of us, is sick of this list being used to get hold of people who can be reached through postmaster@<isp> and/or noc@<isp>. Why does a person have to have any standing to voice an objection to stupidity and ignorance being flaunted publicly on a regular basis?
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If Simon Lyall wants to pass on administration of that page to me I'd be happy to catch it. jamie On Thu, 2006-12-07 at 13:33 +1300, Mike Cooper wrote:
I've been trying to get our contact details updated on that list for about 12 months now.
Repeated e-mails to both the admins have gone unresponded to (even went to the trouble of modifying the HTML and sending a replacement page so the work required was negligible).
Perhaps it might be better relocated on some kind of wiki.
jamie baddeley wrote:
probably an opportune time to remind people of this: http://www.usenet.net.nz/noc/index.html
and a gentle suggestion to *all* operators to make sure the info is current (sorry Simon)
jamie
On Thu, 2006-12-07 at 13:21 +1300, Matthew Poole wrote:
On Thu, 7 Dec 2006, Jo Foster wrote:
Sorry, who are you?
Someone who, like many of the rest of us, is sick of this list being used to get hold of people who can be reached through postmaster@<isp> and/or noc@<isp>. Why does a person have to have any standing to voice an objection to stupidity and ignorance being flaunted publicly on a regular basis?
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I don't mind maintaining it in addition to ispmap.co.nz Barry
If Simon Lyall wants to pass on administration of that page to me I'd be happy to catch it.
jamie
On Thu, 2006-12-07 at 13:33 +1300, Mike Cooper wrote:
I've been trying to get our contact details updated on that list for about 12 months now.
Repeated e-mails to both the admins have gone unresponded to (even went to the trouble of modifying the HTML and sending a replacement page so the work required was negligible).
Perhaps it might be better relocated on some kind of wiki.
jamie baddeley wrote:
probably an opportune time to remind people of this: http://www.usenet.net.nz/noc/index.html
and a gentle suggestion to *all* operators to make sure the info is current (sorry Simon)
jamie
On Thu, 2006-12-07 at 13:21 +1300, Matthew Poole wrote:
On Thu, 7 Dec 2006, Jo Foster wrote:
Sorry, who are you?
Someone who, like many of the rest of us, is sick of this list being used to get hold of people who can be reached through postmaster@<isp> and/or noc@<isp>. Why does a person have to have any standing to voice an objection to stupidity and ignorance being flaunted publicly on a regular basis?
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Barry Murphy wrote:
I don't mind maintaining it in addition to ispmap.co.nz
I'd object to that pretty strongly. `ispmap' is (from what I can tell) targetted to end users. (ie. I don't see much reason for a network operator to use it.) With that in mind, having such a list within close sight of said end users sounds like a recipe for being woken up at 4am by "power user" customers who should have called the helpdesk. It would also seem to make sense that perhaps phone numbers are available only to authenticated people, where authentication is given only to other network operators/parties who need it for valid operational reasons. Also, INOC-DBA. -- Nathan Ward
On Thu, 2006-12-07 at 14:16 +1300, Nathan Ward wrote:
It would also seem to make sense that perhaps phone numbers are available only to authenticated people, where authentication is given only to other network operators/parties who need it for valid operational reasons.
So, who's going to decide which of the 900+ list subscribers have valid operational reasons? After all, NZNOG has no king. LesleyW (going back into lurk mode)
I'd object to that pretty strongly.
`ispmap' is (from what I can tell) targetted to end users. (ie. I don't see much reason for a network operator to use it.)
Agreed, the idea would be a user/pass thing to allow admins to update their details rather than me having to do updates. A NOC section could be restricted to allow the user to display their details to 'Other ISPs|Technical Contacts|All' so the isp can choose who sees the additional data. But anyhow, thats just me sticking my hand up. Baz
Barry Murphy wrote:
I'd object to that pretty strongly.
`ispmap' is (from what I can tell) targetted to end users. (ie. I don't see much reason for a network operator to use it.)
Agreed, the idea would be a user/pass thing to allow admins to update their details rather than me having to do updates. A NOC section could be restricted to allow the user to display their details to 'Other ISPs|Technical Contacts|All' so the isp can choose who sees the additional data.
</LURK> You could also restrict it to others with an account there - as they are likely to be the NOCs that are likely to need to talk to each other... <LURK>
On Thu, 7 Dec 2006, jamie baddeley wrote:
probably an opportune time to remind people of this: http://www.usenet.net.nz/noc/index.html
and a gentle suggestion to *all* operators to make sure the info is current (sorry Simon)
Don't worry, Simon is feeling guilty about being about 6 months behind with updates. -- Simon J. Lyall | Very Busy | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/ "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT.
Simon wrote:
Would someone from the xtra email team please be able to contact me offlist?
Maybe it's time to setup a mailing list for e-mail newbies that don't know how to. a) pick up a telephone b) don't know the right forums to post queries to (hint, this is NOG, not MAG (_network operators_ NOT _Mail Admins_) Lets all see if we cant get through an entire week now without asking for an admin of $someRandomISPsMailSystem to contact you offlist. Thanks, -- Steve.
Im sorry if i have offended anyone in asking for this - i did not mean to. Here are some answers back to you queries tho: - I have tried all other avenues with a standard no response - I cant just give up, i have paying clients The description of the NZNOG list is: The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. Other technical and operational matters relating to the Internet are also discussed. - XTRA is a network service provider, i am a network service provider. You can classify Email as a network service OR other technical/operational matters - i guess? - Hmm NZMAG, is there such a list? (or is asking this question outside of the classification of "Other technical and operational matters relating to the Internet")? - I run a small corporate hosting facility for select clients. Interesting enough, I asked a question on XTRAs mail system quite some time ago and got a great response from individuals on this list. What has changed in 2-3 months? Thanks anyway. Simon
Simon wrote:
Im sorry if i have offended anyone in asking for this - i did not mean to.
Here are some answers back to you queries tho:
- I have tried all other avenues with a standard no response - I cant just give up, i have paying clients
To be fair, this was not specifically aimed at you. I'm just getting increasingly perplexed by the use of NZNOG (and NANOG) like this. You're not adding value to the 980 other people the email went to, assuming anyone from Xtra sees and/or responds to the email anyway. Perhaps some specifics of problem[s] being seen so others can chime in would help, rather than just a single message like this? Say for example: "Hi, We at xxxxx are seeing problems with mails to Xtra being bounced with yyyy message, but only when they're being delivered to an mta called zzzzz at Xtra. Our MTA on an even IP address doesn't have problems, but the odd IP addressed one does. Has anyone else seen this problem, and have they had success in getting Xtra to resolve it? We have not been able to get in touch with them through the normal channels. Perhaps if we could collate the issues and apply some group pressure we can get this resolved." Might be more helpful to the group as a whole. aj.
With respect, Simon wrote:
Im sorry if i have offended anyone in asking for this - i did not mean to.
Here are some answers back to you queries tho:
- I have tried all other avenues with a standard no response - I cant just give up, i have paying clients
Simon I agree with you. Most people who even bother to be subscribed to this list are a few clues! I'll put a dollar beat on the bar that most people post to this list as a last resort because the 'correct' channels are AS USUAL going unanswered. 16 replied (plus mine) on the subject, I'm sorry aj, if this offends you then I suggest it's time you got of your arse and did a few things as you're clearly so technical competent! 1. Set up a mail rule to filter out the request - I mean how hard it is to filter on 'please contact me off list'?! 2. Got on the phone to your 'mates' with in xISP and told them directly that you're sick of them not answering their 'correct' channel! HOW SIMON'S EMAIL SERVES ME I normally take requests like Simons as a sign that xISP is not dealing to their 'correct' channel. As a first step to working out if there's a problem in NZ I look on this list for signs of trouble, such as an email asking an admin to make contact. Reading between the lines!?! Simon, One request I would make, when you get a contact would you like to post it back to list so that it exists in the archive for the next person who wants the answer. Cheers Don -- Don Gould www.thinkdesignprint.co.nz - www.tcn.bowenvale.co.nz - www.bowenvale.co.nz - www.hearingbooks.co.nz - www.buxtonsquare.co.nz - skype:ThinkDesignPrint?add - Good ideas: www.solarking.co.nz
It should also be remembered that AJ got his start at Web Internet (back in the days) - a company that spent a lot of time on Telecom's case. So what's changed AJ?
16 replied (plus mine) on the subject, I'm sorry aj, if this offends you then I suggest it's time you got of your arse and did a few things as you're clearly so technical competent!
1. Set up a mail rule to filter out the request - I mean how hard it is to filter on 'please contact me off list'?!
2. Got on the phone to your 'mates' with in xISP and told them directly that you're sick of them not answering their 'correct' channel!
HOW SIMON'S EMAIL SERVES ME
I normally take requests like Simons as a sign that xISP is not dealing to their 'correct' channel.
As a first step to working out if there's a problem in NZ I look on this list for signs of trouble, such as an email asking an admin to make contact.
Reading between the lines!?!
Simon,
One request I would make, when you get a contact would you like to post it back to list so that it exists in the archive for the next person who wants the answer.
Cheers Don
On Thu, 7 Dec 2006, John @ netTRUST wrote:
It should also be remembered that AJ got his start at Web Internet (back in the days) - a company that spent a lot of time on Telecom's case.
So what's changed AJ?
Lets not turn this into a character war. AJ expressed an opinion - shared by a few on here - that NZNOG should not turn into the 'please contact me offlist' mailing list. Of course, the fact that people seem to deem it necessary in order to get clooful answers is dissapointing in itself - But I understand AJ's frustration. I agree with the assertion - and I can't remember who made it right this second - that detail about the problem being experienced would often help explain the context of the enquiry (and perhaps help Don in his reading-between-the-lines stakes.) Mark. IMHO as usual.
At the risk of changing the topic to something interesting: http://www.cafedrina.co.nz is a business I have been mentoring recently. They provide beer (now I am on topic), excellent coffee and great meals. Since I work there more often than I should, they also have free WiFi access with reasonably good backhaul to Internet. I expect to see those of you who traverse north of Auckland's harbour bridge to take advantage of this new facility for networking. p.s. I don't have any shares in this business! regards Peter Mott -/-
ROFLMAO! Well said, best operational issue I've read all day! Cheers Don Peter Mott wrote:
At the risk of changing the topic to something interesting:
is a business I have been mentoring recently. They provide beer (now I am on topic), excellent coffee and great meals.
Since I work there more often than I should, they also have free WiFi access with reasonably good backhaul to Internet.
I expect to see those of you who traverse north of Auckland's harbour bridge to take advantage of this new facility for networking.
p.s. I don't have any shares in this business!
regards
Peter Mott -/-
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To simplify, I'm going to make one reply to three emails. John @ netTRUST wrote:
It should also be remembered that AJ got his start at Web Internet (back in the days) - a company that spent a lot of time on Telecom's case.
So what's changed AJ?
16 replied (plus mine) on the subject, I'm sorry aj, if this offends you then I suggest it's time you got of your arse and did a few things as you're clearly so technical competent!
1. Set up a mail rule to filter out the request - I mean how hard it is to filter on 'please contact me off list'?!
2. Got on the phone to your 'mates' with in xISP and told them directly that you're sick of them not answering their 'correct' channel!
John: Nothing's changed. I honestly don't know what you're referring to, but hey, maybe you can contact me offlist with a clarification if something has changed? Don: This isn't a popularity contest, nor a "AJ vs Simon" debate. This is simply me, a long time list subscriber, being fed up with seeing the same emails in my inbox weekly, with no actual, useful operational content in them. My follow up email to Simon (which was also on-list) points out that it wasn't particularly directed at him, and provided an example of what might be useful to participants. Unsurprisingly, his repost got actual valid, operational, and useful answers from other list participants. This is how the list _should_ be used. Jo: I don't believe I'm flexing any muscles here, instead of simply voicing what several people that I know said when the original post came in, in a somewhat satirical way, in order to try and improve the usability of the list. I don't see you contributing in a way which is adding value right now, and that's all I'm going to say. A happy outcome for all? Yes? Yes? Good. Now we can return to discussing the increase in v6 traffic. aj. -- ha.
Could someone from Xtra's mail system support department please contact me off list please. Thanks. Cheers Don Alastair Johnson wrote:
To simplify, I'm going to make one reply to three emails.
John @ netTRUST wrote:
It should also be remembered that AJ got his start at Web Internet (back in the days) - a company that spent a lot of time on Telecom's case.
So what's changed AJ?
16 replied (plus mine) on the subject, I'm sorry aj, if this offends you then I suggest it's time you got of your arse and did a few things as you're clearly so technical competent!
1. Set up a mail rule to filter out the request - I mean how hard it is to filter on 'please contact me off list'?!
2. Got on the phone to your 'mates' with in xISP and told them directly that you're sick of them not answering their 'correct' channel!
John: Nothing's changed. I honestly don't know what you're referring to, but hey, maybe you can contact me offlist with a clarification if something has changed?
Don: This isn't a popularity contest, nor a "AJ vs Simon" debate. This is simply me, a long time list subscriber, being fed up with seeing the same emails in my inbox weekly, with no actual, useful operational content in them. My follow up email to Simon (which was also on-list) points out that it wasn't particularly directed at him, and provided an example of what might be useful to participants.
Unsurprisingly, his repost got actual valid, operational, and useful answers from other list participants. This is how the list _should_ be used.
Jo: I don't believe I'm flexing any muscles here, instead of simply voicing what several people that I know said when the original post came in, in a somewhat satirical way, in order to try and improve the usability of the list. I don't see you contributing in a way which is adding value right now, and that's all I'm going to say.
A happy outcome for all? Yes? Yes? Good. Now we can return to discussing the increase in v6 traffic.
aj.
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Don Gould wrote: [mostly pointless rant removed] Don. One would have thought that having been about on various online forums for a respectable length of time, you would have learnt a little bit of how one is supposed to behave in these situations. If _nothing else_ start going through the list archives (hint: doing a search for *.xtra.co.nz or *.telecom.co.nz may even get some people you could mail directly - if NOTHING else) I'm glad that you use this list as your own little trouble spotter - which is in most cases around 99.9% inaccurate as usually, someone posting something to this list as pointless as "ZOMG ! I cant find a mail admin and cant actually phrase a question well enough that someone can actually GIVE me any help" Lacks significant clue to be taken with any seriousness when doing fault diagnostics. But hey, that's your prerogative, just please be aware that the other 899 of us on this list DON'T want this sort of crap. This does NOT stop you from running with this idea however and starting up nzmag. I'm sure it will become exceptionally popular. On thing AJ actually took the time to explain was how Simon could have parsed the question in such a way that WOULD have elicited a helpful response, but this aside, the fact is - Ted Grenfell, who has repeatedly sent mails to this list explaining who he is, has also repeatedly given his contact details out and made offers for anyone to drop him a line directly (DDI anyone ? Tho, I know.. that telephone thing is SO last year right ?) A small amount of time reading the list archives would have revealed this and saved everyone a great deal of time. Please in future; * Take the time to search the resources available to you BEFORE posting a query like the ones that have started this entire thread * read the past few weeks worth of posts (or skim subject lines to see if there is anything relevant) * if you MUST send a post to this list, the please take the time to phrase your question in a helpful manner. For some further reading that all list newbies and Don should read, please goto. http://catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html (and if you find it too insulting to go there, then expect to get stupid responses to your stupid questions.) -- Steve.
So as always, you're all welcome to call me direct if you've an Xtra query that you don't want to send via postmaster etc. -- Kind Regards, Ted Grenfell Online Services Mgr (acting) T +64 9 359 5854 (extn 93254) F +64 9 377 0781 M +64 27 443 5455 E ted.grenfell(a)telecom.co.nz W www.telecom.co.nz Level 11, Telecom House, 8 Hereford Street, Private Bag 92028, Auckland CBD, New Zealand ________________________________ "This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002."
-----Original Message----- From: Simon [mailto:greminn(a)gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 7 December 2006 12:42 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [nznog] Xtra Email Administrators
Would someone from the xtra email team please be able to contact me offlist?
Much appreciated.
Simon
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