Fwd: RE: New hacking laws
I assume this was supposed to go to the list.
Delivered-To: blakjak-net-blakjak(a)blakjak.net From: "David Buckingham"
To: "Chris Wedgwood" Subject: RE: New hacking laws Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:37:34 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Hello All,
Aardvark (aardvark.co.nz) made a comment this morning, which touched directly on something I put to the select committee (Law and Order) in my submission on the new hacking laws.
That is - that with the law proposed (which is the result of a law commission report 54 - "computer misuse" - May 1999 see www.lawcom.govt.nz for a copy) governing hacking, interception and so on, soon to come into force, how is it going to be enforced?
Enforcement of criminal law is by police prosecuting after an investigation. Which poses one of the most important questions of all - do the police have the resources, background and skills to make investigations into serious computer crime?, or computer crime for that matter?
My recommendation to the select committee was to have a special unit for computer crime, which is adequately funded, which solely investigates these types of offences.
I am interested to hear some feedback. - I have copies of a number of documents related to this issue - and if you would like for me to let you know how to get your hands on this information please let me know.
David Buckingham
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Chris Wedgwood Sent: Monday, 2 April 2001 5:57 p.m. To: David Buckingham Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: New hacking laws
On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 04:01:20PM +1200, David Buckingham wrote:
Would it be off topic to discuss the proposed new hacking laws?
I am referring to the Crimes Amendment Bill (No.6) and its SOP 85.
I see no reason why not... it's certainly more relevant than a lot of what is discussed here.
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Fear, and respect the beauty of Bcc: On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Mark Foster wrote:
I assume this was supposed to go to the list.
Delivered-To: blakjak-net-blakjak(a)blakjak.net From: "David Buckingham"
To: "Chris Wedgwood" Subject: RE: New hacking laws Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:37:34 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Hello All,
Aardvark (aardvark.co.nz) made a comment this morning, which touched directly on something I put to the select committee (Law and Order) in my submission on the new hacking laws.
That is - that with the law proposed (which is the result of a law commission report 54 - "computer misuse" - May 1999 see www.lawcom.govt.nz for a copy) governing hacking, interception and so on, soon to come into force, how is it going to be enforced?
Enforcement of criminal law is by police prosecuting after an investigation. Which poses one of the most important questions of all - do the police have the resources, background and skills to make investigations into serious computer crime?, or computer crime for that matter?
My recommendation to the select committee was to have a special unit for computer crime, which is adequately funded, which solely investigates these types of offences.
I am interested to hear some feedback. - I have copies of a number of documents related to this issue - and if you would like for me to let you know how to get your hands on this information please let me know.
David Buckingham
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Chris Wedgwood Sent: Monday, 2 April 2001 5:57 p.m. To: David Buckingham Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: New hacking laws
On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 04:01:20PM +1200, David Buckingham wrote:
Would it be off topic to discuss the proposed new hacking laws?
I am referring to the Crimes Amendment Bill (No.6) and its SOP 85.
I see no reason why not... it's certainly more relevant than a lot of what is discussed here.
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On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Tim Shackleton wrote:
Fear, and respect the beauty of Bcc:
Respect the power of procmail and don't use Bcc. And a related subject there seem to be a lot of people on this list ( membership is over 200 ) that are not exactly Network Operators. I hope this won't decrease the useability of the list. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
You going on a public lynching? Dean On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 08:25:03PM +1200, Simon Lyall wrote:
And a related subject there seem to be a lot of people on this list ( membership is over 200 ) that are not exactly Network Operators. I hope this won't decrease the useability of the list.
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We even have journalists on the list which might decrease the useability from a few of us :) -----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of dean(a)flatnet.gen.nz Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 8:57 PM To: Simon Lyall Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Fwd: RE: New hacking laws You going on a public lynching? Dean On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 08:25:03PM +1200, Simon Lyall wrote:
And a related subject there seem to be a lot of people on this list ( membership is over 200 ) that are not exactly Network Operators. I hope this won't decrease the useability of the list.
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Please excuse me - I had no intention of offending members of the list, and I will hereby refrain from my comments. David Buckingham --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
And a related subject there seem to be a lot of people on this list ( membership is over 200 ) that are not exactly Network Operators. I hope this won't decrease the useability of the list.
To quote two sections from the monthly NZNOG-Charter post from Donald:
The New Zealand Network Operators' Group (NZNOG) has no king, president or formal membership. At present it consists of the subscribers to this mailing list, which anyone is free to join.
And:
There are at present no restrictions on who may subscribe to the list, or even on who may post to the list.
So, whats the problem? As long as the posts are kept on-topic (which this one probabally isn't - sorry!), I can't see the problem with having people that don't fit your definition of a "Network Operator" on the list membership. Rgds, Pete --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Im one of the ones here who isnt a NO ;) Doesnt mean to say I may not get a job as one someday lol Thats why I try to keep a breast of current developments Im interested in where one can obtain information on the proposed law changes. Im also interested in other legal issues with regard to copyright, privacy, censorship etc as it applies here in NZ Feel free to contact me directly Frank Tyson Phone: 64211341826 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
participants (9)
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Andreas Girardet
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David Buckingham
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dean@flatnet.gen.nz
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fwetyson
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Mark Foster
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Pete
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sid
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Simon Lyall
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Tim Shackleton