Isn't there still an issue with the Privacy Act 93? Unless someone quietly changed some legislation, I thought the police had no power to prosecute based on evidence gathered from the internet without a warrant? Erin Salmon -----Original Message----- From: Richard Dingwall [mailto:rdingwall(a)gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 7 May 2006 11:44 p.m. To: Antonio Broughton; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] search engine that shows illegal downloads Well, they probably start by assuming all content on p2p networks is illegal... Richard On 5/7/06 11:35 PM, "Antonio Broughton" wrote:

Hi,

just found this news article..

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411365/711264

what interested me most, was this "search engine" that allows the federation to see "any illegal downloading in New Zealand"

1) Is this something Telecom has come up with :) (couldn't resist it) 2) How do they determine if its illegal, or not just someones home made video of Debbie does Auckland etc 3) How would this be possible?

The third question is the most serious one, just wondering how there could be a search engine that showed this information?

This would have to be implemented at the backbone level?

-- Antonio Broughton

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On Mon, 8 May 2006, Matthew Poole wrote:

On Sun, 7 May 2006, Erin Salmon - Unleash wrote:

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Isn't there still an issue with the Privacy Act 93?

Unless someone quietly changed some legislation, I thought the police had no power to prosecute based on evidence gathered from the internet without a warrant?

They might not be able to prosecute from it, but they can get a warrant from it. I'm sure I'm not the only person in here who's helped DIA's objectionable material team track down traders in kiddie porn, after getting a warrant requesting information on who was using x.x.x.x at some particular time, with that warrant having been granted on the strength of a post or two to usenet.

Yeah, but a 'dummy download' which verifies that the content is infact illegal is a component of this. Thats a bit different from some god-like overview of all piracy traffic that is claimed to be had, which is more in the style of an intercept than a dummy download. I too am interested in the 'how', and agree with the sentiment that the most likely answer has been to simply flag all p2p as illegal/for inspection... (And one does wonder exactly how much of our HTTP traffic is being intercepted and scanned for illegal material... surely that is another can of worms entirely?) Mark.