Re: [nznog] Large increase of Data on AKL-IX

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Pete Mundy

13 Oct 2015 13 Oct '15

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On 14/10/2015, at 10:47 AM, Craig Whitmore wrote:

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Does anyone know what got added/what changed at AKL-IX which suddenly doubled the amount of traffic from AKL-IX this morning?

http://monitor.akl-ix.nz/cacti/graph_image.php?action=view&local_graph_id=14&rra_id=2

If you look at the graphs for individual peers you can see pretty easily the ASes (AS'?) most of it is coming from. Not sure where it's all going though! http://monitor.akl-ix.nz/cacti/graph.php?action=view&local_graph_id=93&rra_id=all Pete

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Liam Farr

13 Oct 13 Oct

4:03 a.m.

New subject: Large increase of Data on AKL-IX

Probably also helped that the backhaul between Vocus Albany DC and 220 Queen got upgraded to 10G recently too, suspect that might have contained the IX a bit, with Akamai and Microsoft being on the Albany side, and a lot of the content consumers being on the 220 Side.

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On 14/10/2015, at 11:00 AM, Pete Mundy wrote:

On 14/10/2015, at 10:47 AM, Craig Whitmore mailto:lennon(a)orcon.net.nz> wrote:

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Does anyone know what got added/what changed at AKL-IX which suddenly doubled the amount of traffic from AKL-IX this morning?

http://monitor.akl-ix.nz/cacti/graph_image.php?action=view&local_graph_id=14&rra_id=2 http://monitor.akl-ix.nz/cacti/graph_image.php?action=view&local_graph_id=14&rra_id=2

If you look at the graphs for individual peers you can see pretty easily the ASes (AS'?) most of it is coming from. Not sure where it's all going though!

http://monitor.akl-ix.nz/cacti/graph.php?action=view&local_graph_id=93&rra_id=all http://monitor.akl-ix.nz/cacti/graph.php?action=view&local_graph_id=93&rra_id=all

Pete

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Jesse Archer

4:06 a.m.

New subject: Large increase of Data on AKL-IX

Something did change this morning causing a sudden spike of Akamai/Microsoft traffic. Akamai traffic flowing across our network is 5 x what it usually is for a weekday morning. You might be right Dave, maybe Microsoft is pushing out an urgent patch or something. *Jesse Archer* *General Manager*Full Flavour *p. *07 577 0099 *ddi*. 07 281 1391 *s*. Skype "myfullflavour" *e*. jesse(a)fullflavour.nz *w*. fullflavour.nz http://www.fullflavourmedia.co.nz/ *a. *Basestation, 148 Durham Street, Tauranga *a*. PO Box 16306, Bethlehem 3176, New Zealand On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Liam Farr wrote:

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Probably also helped that the backhaul between Vocus Albany DC and 220 Queen got upgraded to 10G recently too, suspect that might have contained the IX a bit, with Akamai and Microsoft being on the Albany side, and a lot of the content consumers being on the 220 Side.

On 14/10/2015, at 11:00 AM, Pete Mundy wrote:

On 14/10/2015, at 10:47 AM, Craig Whitmore wrote:

Does anyone know what got added/what changed at AKL-IX which suddenly doubled the amount of traffic from AKL-IX this morning?

http://monitor.akl-ix.nz/cacti/graph_image.php?action=view&local_graph_id=14&rra_id=2

If you look at the graphs for individual peers you can see pretty easily the ASes (AS'?) most of it is coming from. Not sure where it's all going though!

http://monitor.akl-ix.nz/cacti/graph.php?action=view&local_graph_id=93&rra_id=all

Pete

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Tristram Cheer

4:08 a.m.

New subject: Large increase of Data on AKL-IX

Patch Tuesday? On 14 October 2015 at 11:06, Jesse Archer wrote:

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Something did change this morning causing a sudden spike of Akamai/Microsoft traffic.

Akamai traffic flowing across our network is 5 x what it usually is for a weekday morning.

You might be right Dave, maybe Microsoft is pushing out an urgent patch or something.

*Jesse Archer* *General Manager*Full Flavour

*p. *07 577 0099 *ddi*. 07 281 1391 *s*. Skype "myfullflavour" *e*. jesse(a)fullflavour.nz *w*. fullflavour.nz http://www.fullflavourmedia.co.nz/ *a. *Basestation, 148 Durham Street, Tauranga *a*. PO Box 16306, Bethlehem 3176, New Zealand

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Liam Farr wrote:

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Probably also helped that the backhaul between Vocus Albany DC and 220 Queen got upgraded to 10G recently too, suspect that might have contained the IX a bit, with Akamai and Microsoft being on the Albany side, and a lot of the content consumers being on the 220 Side.

On 14/10/2015, at 11:00 AM, Pete Mundy wrote:

On 14/10/2015, at 10:47 AM, Craig Whitmore wrote:

Does anyone know what got added/what changed at AKL-IX which suddenly doubled the amount of traffic from AKL-IX this morning?

http://monitor.akl-ix.nz/cacti/graph_image.php?action=view&local_graph_id=14&rra_id=2

If you look at the graphs for individual peers you can see pretty easily the ASes (AS'?) most of it is coming from. Not sure where it's all going though!

http://monitor.akl-ix.nz/cacti/graph.php?action=view&local_graph_id=93&rra_id=all

Pete

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Dave Mill

4:09 a.m.

New subject: Large increase of Data on AKL-IX

It may well be but its far bigger than any "normal" patch Tuesday. Another wave of Windows 10 rollouts maybe? On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Tristram Cheer wrote:

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Patch Tuesday?

On 14 October 2015 at 11:06, Jesse Archer wrote:

...
Something did change this morning causing a sudden spike of Akamai/Microsoft traffic.

Akamai traffic flowing across our network is 5 x what it usually is for a weekday morning.

You might be right Dave, maybe Microsoft is pushing out an urgent patch or something.

*Jesse Archer* *General Manager*Full Flavour

*p. *07 577 0099 *ddi*. 07 281 1391 *s*. Skype "myfullflavour" *e*. jesse(a)fullflavour.nz *w*. fullflavour.nz http://www.fullflavourmedia.co.nz/ *a. *Basestation, 148 Durham Street, Tauranga *a*. PO Box 16306, Bethlehem 3176, New Zealand

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Liam Farr wrote:

...
Probably also helped that the backhaul between Vocus Albany DC and 220 Queen got upgraded to 10G recently too, suspect that might have contained the IX a bit, with Akamai and Microsoft being on the Albany side, and a lot of the content consumers being on the 220 Side.

On 14/10/2015, at 11:00 AM, Pete Mundy wrote:

On 14/10/2015, at 10:47 AM, Craig Whitmore wrote:

Does anyone know what got added/what changed at AKL-IX which suddenly doubled the amount of traffic from AKL-IX this morning?

http://monitor.akl-ix.nz/cacti/graph_image.php?action=view&local_graph_id=14&rra_id=2

If you look at the graphs for individual peers you can see pretty easily the ASes (AS'?) most of it is coming from. Not sure where it's all going though!

http://monitor.akl-ix.nz/cacti/graph.php?action=view&local_graph_id=93&rra_id=all

Pete

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Jesse Archer

4:11 a.m.

New subject: Large increase of Data on AKL-IX

Interestingly aggregate traffic on APE is down from this time yesterday morning... *Jesse Archer* *General Manager*Full Flavour *p. *07 577 0099 *ddi*. 07 281 1391 *s*. Skype "myfullflavour" *e*. jesse(a)fullflavour.nz *w*. fullflavour.nz http://www.fullflavourmedia.co.nz/ *a. *Basestation, 148 Durham Street, Tauranga *a*. PO Box 16306, Bethlehem 3176, New Zealand On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Dave Mill wrote:

...

It may well be but its far bigger than any "normal" patch Tuesday. Another wave of Windows 10 rollouts maybe?

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Tristram Cheer wrote:

...
Patch Tuesday?

On 14 October 2015 at 11:06, Jesse Archer wrote:

...
Something did change this morning causing a sudden spike of Akamai/Microsoft traffic.

Akamai traffic flowing across our network is 5 x what it usually is for a weekday morning.

You might be right Dave, maybe Microsoft is pushing out an urgent patch or something.

*Jesse Archer* *General Manager*Full Flavour

*p. *07 577 0099 *ddi*. 07 281 1391 *s*. Skype "myfullflavour" *e*. jesse(a)fullflavour.nz *w*. fullflavour.nz http://www.fullflavourmedia.co.nz/ *a. *Basestation, 148 Durham Street, Tauranga *a*. PO Box 16306, Bethlehem 3176, New Zealand

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Liam Farr wrote:

...
Probably also helped that the backhaul between Vocus Albany DC and 220 Queen got upgraded to 10G recently too, suspect that might have contained the IX a bit, with Akamai and Microsoft being on the Albany side, and a lot of the content consumers being on the 220 Side.

On 14/10/2015, at 11:00 AM, Pete Mundy wrote:

On 14/10/2015, at 10:47 AM, Craig Whitmore wrote:

Does anyone know what got added/what changed at AKL-IX which suddenly doubled the amount of traffic from AKL-IX this morning?

http://monitor.akl-ix.nz/cacti/graph_image.php?action=view&local_graph_id=14&rra_id=2

If you look at the graphs for individual peers you can see pretty easily the ASes (AS'?) most of it is coming from. Not sure where it's all going though!

http://monitor.akl-ix.nz/cacti/graph.php?action=view&local_graph_id=93&rra_id=all

Pete

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Dave Mill

4:15 a.m.

New subject: Large increase of Data on AKL-IX

Not a massive change though. I know both Microsoft and Akamai peer at AKL-IX. Do both peer on APE? On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Jesse Archer wrote:

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Interestingly aggregate traffic on APE is down from this time yesterday morning...

*Jesse Archer* *General Manager*Full Flavour

*p. *07 577 0099 *ddi*. 07 281 1391 *s*. Skype "myfullflavour" *e*. jesse(a)fullflavour.nz *w*. fullflavour.nz http://www.fullflavourmedia.co.nz/ *a. *Basestation, 148 Durham Street, Tauranga *a*. PO Box 16306, Bethlehem 3176, New Zealand

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Dave Mill wrote:

...
It may well be but its far bigger than any "normal" patch Tuesday. Another wave of Windows 10 rollouts maybe?

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Tristram Cheer
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wrote:

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Patch Tuesday?

On 14 October 2015 at 11:06, Jesse Archer wrote:

...
Something did change this morning causing a sudden spike of Akamai/Microsoft traffic.

Akamai traffic flowing across our network is 5 x what it usually is for a weekday morning.

You might be right Dave, maybe Microsoft is pushing out an urgent patch or something.

*Jesse Archer* *General Manager*Full Flavour

*p. *07 577 0099 *ddi*. 07 281 1391 *s*. Skype "myfullflavour" *e*. jesse(a)fullflavour.nz *w*. fullflavour.nz http://www.fullflavourmedia.co.nz/ *a. *Basestation, 148 Durham Street, Tauranga *a*. PO Box 16306, Bethlehem 3176, New Zealand

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Liam Farr wrote:

...
Probably also helped that the backhaul between Vocus Albany DC and 220 Queen got upgraded to 10G recently too, suspect that might have contained the IX a bit, with Akamai and Microsoft being on the Albany side, and a lot of the content consumers being on the 220 Side.

On 14/10/2015, at 11:00 AM, Pete Mundy wrote:

On 14/10/2015, at 10:47 AM, Craig Whitmore wrote:

Does anyone know what got added/what changed at AKL-IX which suddenly doubled the amount of traffic from AKL-IX this morning?

http://monitor.akl-ix.nz/cacti/graph_image.php?action=view&local_graph_id=14&rra_id=2

If you look at the graphs for individual peers you can see pretty easily the ASes (AS'?) most of it is coming from. Not sure where it's all going though!

http://monitor.akl-ix.nz/cacti/graph.php?action=view&local_graph_id=93&rra_id=all

Pete

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Nathan Ward

4:17 a.m.

New subject: Large increase of Data on AKL-IX

Hi all, Microsoft’s BGP session on APE bounced 3 hours ago, they’ll be preferring the oldest route to your networks, assuming they prefer them otherwise equally. http://www.nzix.net/cgi-bin/lg.cgi?query=bgp&protocol=IPv4&addr=neighbors+192.203.154.162&router=rs2.ape.nzix.net http://www.nzix.net/cgi-bin/lg.cgi?query=bgp&protocol=IPv4&addr=neighbors+192.203.154.162&router=rs2.ape.nzix.net -- Nathan Ward

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On 14/10/2015, at 11:11, Jesse Archer mailto:jesse(a)fullflavour.co.nz> wrote:

Interestingly aggregate traffic on APE is down from this time yesterday morning...

Jesse Archer General Manager Full Flavour

p. 07 577 0099 ddi. 07 281 1391 s. Skype "myfullflavour" e. jesse(a)fullflavour.nz mailto:jesse(a)fullflavourmedia.co.nz w. fullflavour.nz http://www.fullflavourmedia.co.nz/ a. Basestation, 148 Durham Street, Tauranga a. PO Box 16306, Bethlehem 3176, New Zealand

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Dave Mill mailto:davemill(a)gmail.com> wrote: It may well be but its far bigger than any "normal" patch Tuesday. Another wave of Windows 10 rollouts maybe?

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Tristram Cheer mailto:tristramcheer(a)gmail.com> wrote: Patch Tuesday?

On 14 October 2015 at 11:06, Jesse Archer mailto:jesse(a)fullflavour.co.nz> wrote: Something did change this morning causing a sudden spike of Akamai/Microsoft traffic.

Akamai traffic flowing across our network is 5 x what it usually is for a weekday morning.

You might be right Dave, maybe Microsoft is pushing out an urgent patch or something.

Jesse Archer General Manager Full Flavour

p. 07 577 0099 tel:07%20577%200099 ddi. 07 281 1391 tel:07%20281%201391 s. Skype "myfullflavour" e. jesse(a)fullflavour.nz mailto:jesse(a)fullflavourmedia.co.nz w. fullflavour.nz http://www.fullflavourmedia.co.nz/ a. Basestation, 148 Durham Street, Tauranga a. PO Box 16306, Bethlehem 3176, New Zealand

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Liam Farr mailto:liam(a)maxumdata.com> wrote: Probably also helped that the backhaul between Vocus Albany DC and 220 Queen got upgraded to 10G recently too, suspect that might have contained the IX a bit, with Akamai and Microsoft being on the Albany side, and a lot of the content consumers being on the 220 Side.

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On 14/10/2015, at 11:00 AM, Pete Mundy mailto:pete(a)mac.geek.nz> wrote:

On 14/10/2015, at 10:47 AM, Craig Whitmore mailto:lennon(a)orcon.net.nz> wrote:

...
Does anyone know what got added/what changed at AKL-IX which suddenly doubled the amount of traffic from AKL-IX this morning?

http://monitor.akl-ix.nz/cacti/graph_image.php?action=view&local_graph_id=14&rra_id=2 http://monitor.akl-ix.nz/cacti/graph_image.php?action=view&local_graph_id=14&rra_id=2

If you look at the graphs for individual peers you can see pretty easily the ASes (AS'?) most of it is coming from. Not sure where it's all going though!

http://monitor.akl-ix.nz/cacti/graph.php?action=view&local_graph_id=93&rra_id=all http://monitor.akl-ix.nz/cacti/graph.php?action=view&local_graph_id=93&rra_id=all

Pete

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Dave Mill

4:22 a.m.

New subject: Large increase of Data on AKL-IX

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Nathan Ward wrote:

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Microsoft’s BGP session on APE bounced 3 hours ago, they’ll be preferring the oldest route to your networks, assuming they prefer them otherwise equally.

http://www.nzix.net/cgi-bin/lg.cgi?query=bgp&protocol=IPv4&addr=neighbors+192.203.154.162&router=rs2.ape.nzix.net

Looks like Nathan's worked out part of the puzzle. What do international providers do on our peering exchanges from an AS path point of view? If all exchanges were treated equally then AKL-IX learnt routes would generally be preferred as the route servers don't insert their AS in to the path. Do providers add 1 ASN to the path on routes they learn over AKL-IX to compensate? Of course I'm only talking about route server routes here - BiLats wouldn't be affected. Cheers Dave

Tim Hoffman

4:25 a.m.

New subject: Large increase of Data on AKL-IX

Generally we prefer to use bi-lats with any major peers, then just let BGP do it's thing for RSs... I've only struck one IX in the world that bounces their route servers every time they add or remove a peer though. APE is rather unique :) On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Dave Mill wrote:

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On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Nathan Ward wrote:

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Microsoft’s BGP session on APE bounced 3 hours ago, they’ll be preferring the oldest route to your networks, assuming they prefer them otherwise equally.

http://www.nzix.net/cgi-bin/lg.cgi?query=bgp&protocol=IPv4&addr=neighbors+192.203.154.162&router=rs2.ape.nzix.net

Looks like Nathan's worked out part of the puzzle.

What do international providers do on our peering exchanges from an AS path point of view? If all exchanges were treated equally then AKL-IX learnt routes would generally be preferred as the route servers don't insert their AS in to the path. Do providers add 1 ASN to the path on routes they learn over AKL-IX to compensate? Of course I'm only talking about route server routes here - BiLats wouldn't be affected.

Cheers Dave

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Davey Goode

4:48 a.m.

New subject: Large increase of Data on AKL-IX

so interesting looking at Microsoft and Akamai both went nuts this AM http://monitor.akl-ix.nz/cacti/graph_view.php?action=tree&tree_id=1&leaf_id=9 But.... http://www.nzix.net/ape.html seems to be just chugging along with no increase. the conspiracy theorist in me says they cant be real as both MS and akamai are on ape and there surely would have been a spike. so to test theory someone do an IPerf over the IX for a few hours please.. On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Tim Hoffman wrote:

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Generally we prefer to use bi-lats with any major peers, then just let BGP do it's thing for RSs...

I've only struck one IX in the world that bounces their route servers every time they add or remove a peer though. APE is rather unique :)

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Dave Mill wrote:

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On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Nathan Ward wrote:

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Microsoft’s BGP session on APE bounced 3 hours ago, they’ll be preferring the oldest route to your networks, assuming they prefer them otherwise equally.

http://www.nzix.net/cgi-bin/lg.cgi?query=bgp&protocol=IPv4&addr=neighbors+192.203.154.162&router=rs2.ape.nzix.net

Looks like Nathan's worked out part of the puzzle.

What do international providers do on our peering exchanges from an AS path point of view? If all exchanges were treated equally then AKL-IX learnt routes would generally be preferred as the route servers don't insert their AS in to the path. Do providers add 1 ASN to the path on routes they learn over AKL-IX to compensate? Of course I'm only talking about route server routes here - BiLats wouldn't be affected.

Cheers Dave

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Simon Allard

6:22 a.m.

New subject: Large increase of Data on AKL-IX

Don’t forget the APE RS’s add their AS number, so the path on AKL-IX is probably lower for ISP’s which peer with both. From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Davey Goode Sent: Wednesday, 14 October 2015 11:49 a.m. To: Tim Hoffman Cc: nznog Subject: Re: [nznog] Large increase of Data on AKL-IX so interesting looking at Microsoft and Akamai both went nuts this AM http://monitor.akl-ix.nz/cacti/graph_view.php?action=tree&tree_id=1&leaf_id=9 But.... http://www.nzix.net/ape.html seems to be just chugging along with no increase. the conspiracy theorist in me says they cant be real as both MS and akamai are on ape and there surely would have been a spike. so to test theory someone do an IPerf over the IX for a few hours please.. On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Tim Hoffman mailto:tim(a)hoffman.net.nz> wrote: Generally we prefer to use bi-lats with any major peers, then just let BGP do it's thing for RSs... I've only struck one IX in the world that bounces their route servers every time they add or remove a peer though. APE is rather unique :) On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Dave Mill mailto:dave(a)mill.net.nz> wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Nathan Ward mailto:nznog(a)daork.net> wrote: Microsoft’s BGP session on APE bounced 3 hours ago, they’ll be preferring the oldest route to your networks, assuming they prefer them otherwise equally. http://www.nzix.net/cgi-bin/lg.cgi?query=bgp&protocol=IPv4&addr=neighbors+192.203.154.162&router=rs2.ape.nzix.net Looks like Nathan's worked out part of the puzzle. What do international providers do on our peering exchanges from an AS path point of view? If all exchanges were treated equally then AKL-IX learnt routes would generally be preferred as the route servers don't insert their AS in to the path. Do providers add 1 ASN to the path on routes they learn over AKL-IX to compensate? Of course I'm only talking about route server routes here - BiLats wouldn't be affected. Cheers Dave Simon Allard | Senior Network Architect D: 09 550 2790 M: 020 100 0790 F: orcon.net.nzhttp://www.orcon.net.nz | slingshot.co.nzhttp://www.slingshot.co.nz | flip.co.nzhttp://www.flip.co.nz | callplus.co.nzhttp://www.callplus.co.nz | 2talk.co.nzhttp://www.2talk.co.nz [cid:image154287.PNG(a)494f6668.4c86845d] This message and any attachments contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this message is prohibited. If you have received this message in error please notify the sender immediately via email and then destroy this message and any attachments. _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nzmailto:NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nzmailto:NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

Craig Whitmore

4:44 a.m.

New subject: Large increase of Data on AKL-IX

Maybe everyone is updating Office 2016 http://www.macrumors.com/2015/10/13/microsoft-updates-office-2016-apps/

Aftab Siddiqui

7:01 a.m.

New subject: Large increase of Data on AKL-IX

Patch Tuesday?

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Yes, seems like that.. Cumulative update for Windows 10: October 13, 2015 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3097617 same 2x increase on IX-Aus as well. -- Best Wishes, Aftab A. Siddiqui

Pete Mundy

4:08 a.m.

New subject: Large increase of Data on AKL-IX

On 14/10/2015, at 11:06 AM, Jesse Archer wrote:

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5 x what it usually is for a weekday morning.

Or 'the middle of the night' depending on what part of the world your perspective is ;-) (ie it seems logical for a large US content provider to push traffic like that during their night time) Pete

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Pete Mundy
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Tim Hoffman
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