I think this is the Onion piece: http://preview.tinyurl.com/d5h8np At 09:23 AM 1/05/2009, Ian Batterbee wrote:
That was so bad I thought I was reading an article from the onion!
Ruh roh. We'd better all upgrade to Internet 2.
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So would you trust a guy in a pink Hawaiian shirt to analyse and recommend the future of the internet? From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Yun Huang Yong Sent: Friday, 1 May 2009 12:05 p.m. To: Ian Batterbee Cc: NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] The Internet is in the news! I think this is the Onion piece: http://preview.tinyurl.com/d5h8np At 09:23 AM 1/05/2009, Ian Batterbee wrote: That was so bad I thought I was reading an article from the onion! Ruh roh. We'd better all upgrade to Internet 2. -- (__) Share what you know. Yun Huang Yong `\------(oo) Learn what you don't. gumby(a)mooh.org || (__) --' goosmurf(a)yahoo.com \|/ ||w--|| \|/ --
On 1/05/2009, at 12:15 PM, Bill Walker wrote:
So would you trust a guy in a pink Hawaiian shirt to analyse and recommend the future of the internet?
I'm sure I've seen Bill Manning post to this list before, probably wearing just such a shirt. So yes, I would. Jay
On Fri, May 01, 2009 at 12:19:49PM +1200, Jay Daley wrote:
On 1/05/2009, at 12:15 PM, Bill Walker wrote:
So would you trust a guy in a pink Hawaiian shirt to analyse and recommend the future of the internet?
I'm sure I've seen Bill Manning post to this list before, probably wearing just such a shirt. So yes, I would.
Jay
actually, it was an Indonesian shirt... :) pragmatically, WTF are folks going to do when you can't get more IPv4 space from APNIC? Pick the best answer(s): ) IPv6 ) NATs all the way down ) hijack space from others ) find a new line of work as a beer-bottle washer and -then- we can worry about the cost of upgrading to 100G direct links (no striping) --bill
bmanning(a)vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
actually, it was an Indonesian shirt... :)
a) <Administrator>Bill Manning's shirts are _not_ an operational matter within the AUP. Nor has most of this thread been to date.</Administrator>
pragmatically, WTF are folks going to do when you can't get more IPv4 space from APNIC? Pick the best answer(s):
) IPv6 ) NATs all the way down ) hijack space from others ) find a new line of work as a beer-bottle washer
and -then- we can worry about the cost of upgrading to 100G direct links (no striping)
--bill There may turn out to be real capacity issues in our future. For example, if regional fibre operating companies lay lots of government-subsidised fibre in urban(ish) areas but no corresponding change occurs in the way we do backhaul. Not a problem for certain forms of traffic and certain business models (e.g. from distributed video servers) but possibly bad news for anything like the Internet in its historic end-to-end form.
I seem to recall TelstraClear's rollout of 40Gbps (SDH?) and indeed 10Gbps (ethernet?) interfaces being news earlier this week. ( http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/netw/D22D36B334FCD64FCC2575A4006CF65F ) And who warned you to flee the crunch that is to come? The kingdom of IPv6 is at hand! - Donald Neal -- Donald Neal | "I have never seen the film. But by all Research Officer | accounts it was terrible. However, I WAND | have seen the house that it built, and The University of Waikato | it is terrific." - Michael Caine
On Fri, 2009-05-01 at 13:24 +1200, Donald Neal wrote:
bmanning(a)vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
actually, it was an Indonesian shirt... :)
a) <Administrator>Bill Manning's shirts are _not_ an operational matter within the AUP. Nor has most of this thread been to date.</Administrator>
pragmatically, WTF are folks going to do when you can't get more IPv4 space from APNIC? Pick the best answer(s):
) IPv6 ) NATs all the way down ) hijack space from others ) find a new line of work as a beer-bottle washer
and -then- we can worry about the cost of upgrading to 100G direct links (no striping)
--bill There may turn out to be real capacity issues in our future. For example, if regional fibre operating companies lay lots of government-subsidised fibre in urban(ish) areas but no corresponding change occurs in the way we do backhaul. Not a problem for certain forms of traffic and certain business models (e.g. from distributed video servers) but possibly bad news for anything like the Internet in its historic end-to-end form.
I don't see a problem here. A certain network I am a little bit familiar with can scale to 76,800 Gbps. In other words about 20Mbps for every man woman and child currently resident in the country. jamie
On Fri, May 01, 2009 at 01:24:18PM +1200, Donald Neal wrote:
pragmatically, WTF are folks going to do when you can't get more IPv4 space from APNIC? Pick the best answer(s):
) IPv6 ) NATs all the way down ) hijack space from others ) find a new line of work as a beer-bottle washer
and -then- we can worry about the cost of upgrading to 100G direct links (no striping)
--bill There may turn out to be real capacity issues in our future. For example, if regional fibre operating companies lay lots of government-subsidised fibre in urban(ish) areas but no corresponding change occurs in the way we do backhaul. Not a problem for certain forms of traffic and certain business models (e.g. from distributed video servers) but possibly bad news for anything like the Internet in its historic end-to-end form.
Perhaps we are remembering different historic Internets. I roughly remember 2Mbps ethernets (pick your lan technology, 802.5, 802.4, etc...) being strung together over wide areas by 19.2Kbps modems. Life was fat when we got the 56/64Kbps critters. To my rememberence, the local area was usually 10-100x faster than the wide area. Less true in modren times of course. Nothing like learning from history. the Internet, t'was ever thus. --bill
I believe that there is and will be plenty of capacity in and around NZ - it is getting out of NZ that is the issue. -----Original Message----- From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Donald Neal Sent: Friday, 1 May 2009 01:24 To: nznog Subject: Re: [nznog] The Internet is in the news! There may turn out to be real capacity issues in our future. For example, if regional fibre operating companies lay lots of government-subsidised fibre in urban(ish) areas but no corresponding change occurs in the way we do backhaul. Not a problem for certain forms of traffic and certain business models (e.g. from distributed video servers) but possibly bad news for anything like the Internet in its historic end-to-end form. I seem to recall TelstraClear's rollout of 40Gbps (SDH?) and indeed 10Gbps (ethernet?) interfaces being news earlier this week. ( http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/netw/D22D36B334FCD64FCC2575A4006CF65 F ) And who warned you to flee the crunch that is to come? The kingdom of IPv6 is at hand! - Donald Neal -- Donald Neal | "I have never seen the film. But by all Research Officer | accounts it was terrible. However, I WAND | have seen the house that it built, and The University of Waikato | it is terrific." - Michael Caine _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog
On 30-Apr-2009, at 20:15, Bill Walker wrote:
So would you trust a guy in a pink Hawaiian shirt to analyse and recommend the future of the internet?
It's a better bet than relying upon people wearing suits to do it. No offence intended to current employer. :-) Joe
If only the computers on the computer farms could breed more rapidly, we wouldn't be facing this serious internet space shortage... Keith Bill Walker wrote:
So would you trust a guy in a pink Hawaiian shirt to analyse and recommend the future of the > internet?
The report that all this seems to be based on is at http://www.nemertes.com/internet_singularity_delayed_why_limits_internet_cap... What it _actually_ says is that (large) carriers are not investing enough at the access layer to keep up with the capacity demands being generated by new content providers. Gee who would have thought of that? Richard.
If only the computers on the computer farms could breed more rapidly, we wouldn't be facing this serious internet space shortage...
We have suspicions that an anti-overpopulation extremist group may be operating in the Farms as we found some empty packets of trojans. No other malware has been found to date, but we have deployed scanners everywhere. -- section .data sig: db 'Spiro Harvey',0x0a db 'UNIX Specialist, Writer, Editor',0x0a homepage: db 'http://twiddle.starforge.net.nz',0x0a
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Yun Huang Yong
I think this is the Onion piece: http://preview.tinyurl.com/d5h8np
Reminds me of this one: http://www.theonion.com/content/video/breaking_news_all_online_data But be warned: by watching it you are contributing to the filling up of cyberspace.
At 09:23 AM 1/05/2009, Ian Batterbee wrote:
That was so bad I thought I was reading an article from the onion!
Ruh roh. We'd better all upgrade to Internet 2.
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