Re: WIX: Neutral Exchange Point in Wellington, New Zealand (fwd)
Hi again,
ISI are prepared to allocate us an unencumbered class C network for WIX,
which should be sufficient for ISP-peering-over-CNH purposes.
There are some costs involved (below). Basically the options are:
1. ISI perform allocation of IP addresses to individual ISPs, maintain
contact information, etc, etc. This costs US$1200 per year (details
below).
2. ISI delegate the address block and let us sort that kind of thing out
amongst ourselves. That costs US$500 per year.
What do people think?
Given that the use of CityLink specifically for ISP peering purposes seems
to be beyond CNH's mandate, I presume that if we were to go for this the
fees should be paid by someone other than CNH.
Is this a candidate for a proposal to ISOCNZ or Domainz (or even Uniforum)
for funding? Or should we just have a whip-round?
Yes, you may well ask what I am doing messing about with this at 3:30am on
a Saturday morning. That is a very good question :)
Joe
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Joe Abley
Looks good so far. Now we come to the cost issue. Currently we are asking for a registration fee of US$100/month for maintaining the delegation and registering each connecting participant. This is a fee of US$1200.00 per year for the whole exchange and all its participants.
Is this acceptable?
Could you clarify exactly what the fee covers, and exactly what registration fuction ISI performs?
The fee covers the cost of keeping up with the delegation as a /24 and for each /32 underneath it. This involves regular checkups with each site to ensure that the contact information is correct. This works out to be about 8 hours a month, average for a clerk to perform the contacts and followups.
What we are really looking for is a 24-bit block of globally-unique addresses, in-addr.arpa delegations for the block, and that's about it. We have good cooperation between all ISPs involved, and do not anticipate needing a third party to allocate individual addresses.
If you are willing to take on the whole task, then the cost is an annual registration fee of US$500.00 This is to ensure that the exchange is still functioning and meets the use criteria.
Does the monthly charge still apply in this situation?
I broke out the fee as a monthly cost. Generally the invoices are annual, with some on a quarterly basis and two are on multiyear agreements. --bill --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Joe Abley wrote:
Hi again,
ISI are prepared to allocate us an unencumbered class C network for WIX, which should be sufficient for ISP-peering-over-CNH purposes.
There are some costs involved (below). Basically the options are:
1. ISI perform allocation of IP addresses to individual ISPs, maintain contact information, etc, etc. This costs US$1200 per year (details below).
2. ISI delegate the address block and let us sort that kind of thing out amongst ourselves. That costs US$500 per year.
What do people think?
Can we get ISOCNZ to hold the 'registration' for the numbers and get them to bill us if necessary. I'm happy to put in $US100 for this, can we have a commitment from at least Clear, ICONZ, Saturn and Actrix and anyone else who wants to party? I'm still happy to provide the reverse DNS as previously offered. andy -- Mailto:Andy.Linton(a)netlink.co.nz Tel: +64 4 916 5312 Post: Netlink, PO Box 5358, Lambton Quay, Wellington, New Zealand PGP public key: http://www.pgp.com/keyserver/pks-lookup.cgi -- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Mon, 8 Jun 1998, Andy Linton wrote:
Can we get ISOCNZ to hold the 'registration' for the numbers and get them to bill us if necessary. I'm happy to put in $US100 for this, can we have a commitment from at least Clear, ICONZ, Saturn and Actrix and anyone else who wants to party?
I'm still happy to provide the reverse DNS as previously offered.
Sounds good to me. I'm sure US$100 isn't going to break the bank at CLEAR.
Rowan? Do we have anybody from Saturn or Actrix on the list? Who else will
be peering in Wellington? Jamie?
Joe
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Joe Abley
Can we get ISOCNZ to hold the 'registration' for the numbers and get them to bill us if necessary. I'm happy to put in $US100 for this, can we have a commitment from at least Clear, ICONZ, Saturn and Actrix and anyone else who wants to party?
I'm still happy to provide the reverse DNS as previously offered.
Do we want to make a flat fee for access to WIX, to cover stuff like this?. $US100 a year seems a resonable fee, and we only need 5 people to pay for the numbers already. Any other money can be put to other use. Is this a good idea, or it is just a HORRIBLE CAN OF WORMS =) Dean --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Hi all, Well, it's been a while, and there hasn't been much comment on this. Here we go, then: a proposal. Feel free to shoot me down in flames if this doesn't sit happily with anybody else :) 1. Establish a second emulated LAN on CityLink for BGP peering between cooperating network operators. This will consist of a series of bilateral agreements between individual network operators. No customers should connect to ISPs over this network - this will be a "clean" IP-only network. 2. To make (1) as smooth as possible, individual operators should make efforts to install up-to-date route entries and associated policy into the Merit (Route Arbiter) routing registry. This will also help with a similar operation on NZIX. 3. The Wellington peering network will be called "WIX". ISOCNZ have reserved wix.net.nz for this purpose. NetLink have offered to keep the zone fed and watered; any operator should be able to perform zone transfers for wix.net.nz and NS records for that operators nameserver will be added by rough concensus (i.e. as long as the nameserver in question seems to be up most of the time :) 4. A class C network will be obtained from ISI by ISOCNZ. This costs US$500. ISOCNZ will bill a proportion of this amount to all the initial participants in WIX. The corresponding in-addr.arpa zone will be run by NetLink on behalf of the peering community, in much the same way as wix.net.nz. 5. Nobody is obliged to advertise the peering subnet to any other network, although I would have thought it would be handy to keep in interior routing tables. Anybody who feels the need to provide international transit for it, however, is free to do so :) 6. Steps 1-5 to be carried out by yesterday, if not sooner. Comments? Joe On Mon, 8 Jun 1998, Andy Linton wrote:
Joe Abley wrote:
Hi again,
ISI are prepared to allocate us an unencumbered class C network for WIX, which should be sufficient for ISP-peering-over-CNH purposes.
There are some costs involved (below). Basically the options are:
1. ISI perform allocation of IP addresses to individual ISPs, maintain contact information, etc, etc. This costs US$1200 per year (details below).
2. ISI delegate the address block and let us sort that kind of thing out amongst ourselves. That costs US$500 per year.
What do people think?
Can we get ISOCNZ to hold the 'registration' for the numbers and get them to bill us if necessary. I'm happy to put in $US100 for this, can we have a commitment from at least Clear, ICONZ, Saturn and Actrix and anyone else who wants to party?
I'm still happy to provide the reverse DNS as previously offered.
andy -- Mailto:Andy.Linton(a)netlink.co.nz Tel: +64 4 916 5312 Post: Netlink, PO Box 5358, Lambton Quay, Wellington, New Zealand PGP public key: http://www.pgp.com/keyserver/pks-lookup.cgi
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Joe Abley
Whoops, should have read that through before I sent it, I suppose ;) On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, Joe Abley wrote:
4. A class C network will be obtained from ISI by ISOCNZ. This costs US$500. ISOCNZ will bill a proportion of this amount to all the initial participants in WIX. The corresponding in-addr.arpa zone will be run by NetLink on behalf of the peering community, in much the same way as wix.net.nz.
This costs US$500 _per_year_ - it's not a one-off charge, as I implied
above. An ongoing arrangement with ISOCNZ and WIX-peering ISPs will be
required.
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Joe Abley
Joe Abley wrote:
Whoops, should have read that through before I sent it, I suppose ;)
On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, Joe Abley wrote:
4. A class C network will be obtained from ISI by ISOCNZ. This costs US$500. ISOCNZ will bill a proportion of this amount to all the initial participants in WIX. The corresponding in-addr.arpa zone will be run by NetLink on behalf of the peering community, in much the same way as wix.net.nz.
This costs US$500 _per_year_ - it's not a one-off charge, as I implied above. An ongoing arrangement with ISOCNZ and WIX-peering ISPs will be required.
In the meantime, I have assigned the following in wix.net.nz: netlink IN A 203.97.132.193 actrix IN A 203.97.132.194 infocity IN A 203.97.132.195 saturn IN A 203.97.132.196 clear IN A 203.97.132.197 iconz IN A 203.97.132.198 from 203.97.132.192/27 We can change things later. If anyone else needs an address, contact me. -- Mailto:Andy.Linton(a)netlink.co.nz Tel: +64 4 916 5312 Post: Netlink, PO Box 5358, Lambton Quay, Wellington, New Zealand PGP public key: http://www.pgp.com/keyserver/pks-lookup.cgi -- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
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