At 12:50 12/03/02 +1300, Simon Lyall wrote:

On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Simon Byrnand wrote:

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I've been trialing orbz and ordb in the last couple of months (not related to orbs) and they've been very good. Naturally I've kept a very close eye on it, but I've only had 2 instance where genuine mail wasn't getting through that I know of - and in both cases they WERE actually open relays. I was easily able to add an exclusion for those two servers until they got off their ass and fixed their open relay. (Both did after a couple of weeks) Both also have good and fast removal policies so they're not the sort of list that once you get on you can never get off...(ala the original orbs :)

I find orbz a bit of a pain, they are very fast to add us when a customer is open relay and using us as a smart-host. I've now got them notifying me/noc directly so that as soon as then add us (provisionally I think) we get notified and can (a) block the customer from our mail servers (b) notify orbz to retest (c) contact the customer.

If you're only a smart host for your customer who is actually the open relay, then at worst you should find yourself on their "outputs" list, but not on the "inputs" list. I only use the inputs list, which is what they recommend for exactly that reason...if others use the outputs list they do so at their own peril. Yeah, it might be a bit of a pain for you, but it has served its purpose - it's alerted you to an open relay within your netblock which more than likely has already passed some spam. (Otherwise nobody would have bothered to submit it to orbz in the first place) Actually I think they should notify the netblock owners by default rather than being "opt in", as it would get a lot more open relays fixed, but they say that would constitute spam ;)

With respect to NZ spammers we had a problem with one going around all the Cyber Cafes and using computers there to send email, we have put in a block for those however. I understand the spammer in question (various e-gold (or something) related scams) was causing problems with other people as well.

Heh. I don't think I've come across that one. Yet... Regards, Simon - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog