On Friday, September 13, 2002, at 04:35 AM, Juha Saarinen wrote:

Ahhh... people like Mr Abley. Well, he's probably eligible for an OAP discount on overseas travel by now and a e-Zimmer frame subsidy, so that could be a goer (figuratively speaking, of course).

I was out of the country when the internet arrived in New Zealand -- I left Auckland in 1980 and didn't come back until 1996. Honest. I have witnesses and everything. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

On Sat, 2002-09-14 at 16:01, Lin Nah wrote:

He's talking about people at Waikato and others who ran Kawaihiko and Tuia Jon Houlker is a name that comes to mind. Rex Croft ran the .nz DNS. Last I heard he was somewhere in Australia. VUW and Waikato were the two places bringing in usenet news into the country. Usenet news feed (and the payment of it) is probably what limited some of the growth of the .nz DNS and kept things manageable for Rex Croft. There's people at vuw and waikato who started the cache farms (I remember a presentation at uniforum in 1995 or earlier about it).

and don't forget Nevil Brownlee and Neil James two other prominent members of Kawaihiko and Tuia who oversaw the early days of the Internet in NZ. I was a relative latecomer in the early '90s. -- Russell Fulton, Computer and Network Security Officer The University of Auckland, New Zealand "It aint necessarily so" - Gershwin - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

At 10:19 PM +1200 14/9/02, Russell Fulton wrote:

On Sat, 2002-09-14 at 16:01, Lin Nah wrote:

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He's talking about people at Waikato and others who ran Kawaihiko and Tuia Jon Houlker is a name that comes to mind. Rex Croft ran the .nz DNS. Last I heard he was somewhere in Australia. VUW and Waikato were the two places bringing in usenet news into the country. Usenet news feed (and the payment of it) is probably what limited some of the growth of the .nz DNS and kept things manageable for Rex Croft. There's people at vuw and waikato who started the cache farms (I remember a presentation at uniforum in 1995 or earlier about it).

and don't forget Nevil Brownlee and Neil James two other prominent members of Kawaihiko and Tuia who oversaw the early days of the Internet in NZ. I was a relative latecomer in the early '90s.

-- Russell Fulton, Computer and Network Security Officer The University of Auckland, New Zealand

Hey, most of us are still around, some are just doing some different things. Apart from those already mentioned, there are (in no particular order) Myself Don Stokes John Hine Mark Davies Duncan McEwan Frank March Colin Boswell Ray Brownrigg Clive Nicholson Ken Spagnolo Richard Naylor John Vostermans This has sort of come up before---it's in the archives http://archive.nznog.org/2000-02/msg00060.html This is also an interesting link: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+nz&start=10&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=images&scoring=d&as_drrb=b&as_mind=12&as_minm=5&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=16&as_maxm=9&as_maxy=1986&selm=1019%40jade.BERKELEY.EDU&rnum=18 The oldest post I've found so far is this one http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=81%40vaxb.calgary.UUCP&output=gplain, of Ray pretending to be Duncan, but of course inter-University networking was well established by that time. -- Michael Newbery IP Architect TelstraClear Limited - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

Dean Pemberton wrote:

ok - so do people think that a panel discussion on the history of NZ internet would be an interesting addition to the conference program?

I think that it's the best format. Rather than just having one person present their view.

Yep. Much more practical. Might even come along. 8-) Some of the ex-DSIR people might be fun to have along -- these folks were doing serious vendor-independent networking back when nobody much else knew what it was, and developed the Ace/Network Dynamics/Securicor 3net/Allied Telesyn routers which many ISPs used for many years. -- don - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

Lin Nah wrote:

VUW and Waikato were the two places bringing in usenet news into the country.

VUW Comp Sci was the one bringing news into NZ until some time after the Internet link landed in NZ (at Waikato).

Usenet news feed (and the payment of it) is probably what limited some of the growth of the .nz DNS and kept things manageable for Rex Croft.

DNS charging didn't start until 1996. Waikato and VUW did DNS updates on a grace and favour basis until then; VUW (which just had govt.nz, mil.nz and iwi.nz) continued to do so until 1997. Re Usenet charging and volume charging in general: Volume charging was what enabled Usenet and email to become as popular as it did. Similarly, the volume charged model for IP allowed sites to become connected to the NZ Internet and ship traffic over a very expensive piece of wet string that would not have been able to under other models. Right from the very beginning, I've heard the argument that volume charging "limited growth", often made quite stridently. When VUW started charging for fixed line access in January '93, monthly fees for an analogue line were about $80 across town, plus $150 for Internet access, plus international traffic at $2.50/MB less discounts for night and low priority traffic. Remember that this was before the web became popular, before email became full of multi-megabyte attachments, before spam and so-on; for example the whole of VUW, which didn't charge its users for traffic and was very liberal about who it allowed access to, and therefore was the largest single user in the country by more than a factor of two, only ran up 2.2 GB in March that year (much less in January & February). Half of that was FTP. About a third In 1993, the average Internet bill for a significant sized organisation connected via VUW, including telecomms, was less than $500/month. Even largest ones weren't paying much more than $2,000/month, e.g. the WCC, hooked up via 2 Mbps microwave with squillions of Citynet users banging away. I'd bet those organisations are paying significantly more now... NZ had, for much of the last decade, the one of the highest rates of per-capita Internet growth in the world. This is despite a small population and a vastly expensive national and international telecomms infrastructure. It's true that VUW pricing and policies were far from universal, and indeed a good deal of the growth was within the Wellington area. But within a short time Auckland Uni had connection policies and pricing closely mirroring ours. -- don - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

At 12:28 AM -0500 17/9/02, Andy Gardner wrote:

Hurrah for citynet!

Is kosmos still sitting in that computer auction warehouse in Wainuiomata, or is it in a museum somewhere, where it belongs?

Well, one of the first 5 Ciscos in NZ---an AGS---is sitting under a bench in our model suite. Tricked out with a maximum load of serial ports, it connected a lot of Wellington's first Internet sites for a long time and was only retired because it was too old for Cisco to be bothered certifying it Y2K compliant :-) Still works just fine. -- Michael Newbery IP Architect TelstraClear Limited - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

Michael Newbery wrote:

Well, one of the first 5 Ciscos in NZ---an AGS---is sitting under a bench in our model suite. Tricked out with a maximum load of serial ports, it connected a lot of Wellington's first Internet sites for a long time

Of course you do recall that the box was supposed to be given back to cisco as a trade in, and the only original parts left in it are the chassis, PSU, NVR card and one or two interface cards. It's had an interesting life, that box. 20 serial ports, four ethernets -- that was a lot of ports back in the days when data circuits all came with an NTU and needed an X.21 interface. I lost track of how many times we had it in bits to add stuff. Not to mention software upgrades involving changing piles of ROM and microm chips... -- don - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

Kosmos, haha. that brings back old memories. and was it ix.wcc.govt.nz? The days when people didnt mind connecting to the internet via a 1200/2400 bps modem. Richard and the other guys at wcc did an amazing job with citynet its a real pitty that CLI/GUI shells are so hard to come by these days. Still hats of to Richard for having such a vision. Eon. Andy Gardner wrote:

At 5:20 PM +1200 9/17/02, Don Stokes wrote:

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with squillions of Citynet users banging away

Hurrah for citynet!

Is kosmos still sitting in that computer auction warehouse in Wainuiomata, or is it in a museum somewhere, where it belongs?

-- Andrew P. Gardner barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP? We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare? Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

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