Re: [nznog] Telecom's "peering" change of heart really isn't
Oh, and on your point about universities, I think you will find that most (all?) of them already peer. UoA, which is far-and-away the largest university in the country, certainly peers at APE.
Help me out here. What incentives can I (as operator of a local exchange) now offer to a University to convince it that peering locally is a Good Idea when they have KAREN? At various times, I've offered the University Of Eastern Venezuela (*) peering for a) $XXX/monthly (**), and b) the cost of a piece of patch cord, so far without takers. I think I might have to pay them before the chicken/egg dichotomy gets resolved ("We'll peer if everyone else does"; Everyone Else says "We'll peer if they do".)... (*) Name changed to protect the innocent. (**) Amount obscured, but the number of digits is right.
On 30/03/2007 1:06 p.m., Stewart Fleming wrote:
Oh, and on your point about universities, I think you will find that most (all?) of them already peer. UoA, which is far-and-away the largest university in the country, certainly peers at APE.
Help me out here. What incentives can I (as operator of a local exchange) now offer to a University to convince it that peering locally is a Good Idea when they have KAREN?
It's the community sharing thing - get the big local content generators and consumers on there (City Council, University, hospital, local ISPs etc) and it should all work out. Maybe do the big 3 free for the first X months and then they can see if its worth renewing / subscribing - if it's not saving them more than it'd cost to pass it through some pay-per-byte provider then peering isn't viable in your community. Economics can be cruel. Regards, Gerard
On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 13:06 +1200, Stewart Fleming wrote:
Oh, and on your point about universities, I think you will find that most (all?) of them already peer. UoA, which is far-and-away the largest university in the country, certainly peers at APE.
Help me out here. What incentives can I (as operator of a local exchange) now offer to a University to convince it that peering locally is a Good Idea when they have KAREN? At various times, I've offered the University Of Eastern Venezuela (*) peering for a) $XXX/monthly (**), and b) the cost of a piece of patch cord, so far without takers. I think I might have to pay them before the chicken/egg dichotomy gets resolved ("We'll peer if everyone else does"; Everyone Else says "We'll peer if they do".)...
Massey University are peering at WIX and PNIX, not APE as the cost to get across from the North Shore was more than we were willing to pay. Other than Inspire, I think we are still the only player on PNIX but hoped that by being there, we might encourage others in PN to peer also. In the case of WIX, there are lots of other parties in Wellington that peer and in the spirit of providing a better service between them and us than their Internet connection which may well be small, we felt it was an appropriate environment to support.
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Oh, and on your point about universities, I think you will find that most (all?) of them already peer. UoA, which is far-and-away the largest university in the country, certainly peers at APE.
Do Auckland University actually Peer? I can't seem to find a route that goes to them across APE (all traceroutes go via TelstraClear) and their session with the route servers appears to be down -- Simon J. Lyall | Very Busy | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/ "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT.
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007, Simon Lyall wrote:
Do Auckland University actually Peer? I can't seem to find a route that goes to them across APE (all traceroutes go via TelstraClear) and their session with the route servers appears to be down
A couple of people have emailed me offlist and said that Auckland Uni depeered a couple of months ago and is now using Telstra for all traffic (except KAREN I guess). I'm not sure why this change in policy occured. -- Simon J. Lyall | Very Busy | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/ "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT.
On 30/03/2007, at 1:06 PM, Stewart Fleming wrote:
Oh, and on your point about universities, I think you will find that most (all?) of them already peer. UoA, which is far-and-away the largest university in the country, certainly peers at APE.
Help me out here. What incentives can I (as operator of a local exchange) now offer to a University to convince it that peering locally is a Good Idea when they have KAREN? At various times, I've offered the University Of Eastern Venezuela (*) peering for a) $XXX/monthly (**), and b) the cost of a piece of patch cord, so far without takers. I think I might have to pay them before the chicken/egg dichotomy gets resolved ("We'll peer if everyone else does"; Everyone Else says "We'll peer if they do".)...
(*) Name changed to protect the innocent. (**) Amount obscured, but the number of digits is right.
They probably don't see a need for it, economically. Perhaps if you provide them some idea of expected traffic volumes, and expected performance gains (ie. latency), in a numerical form, they can translate that in to saved $ per month. Perhaps show how the growth is going currently, so they can see that it becomes a better idea over time - that way if they don't do it now, they won't have ruled it out for the future. How does KAREN impact this price wise? Can they use KAREN to get to Auckland, to then get domestic transit from $NSP? Do they understand that you're simply trying to get higher performance to/from their users/servers, as opposed to access to the KAREN network? -- Nathan Ward
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