Joe Abley wrote:
I think a better heading would be: What can be done about the legacy of NZGATE-delegated addresses within NZ? Ongoing portability of IP addresses.
An open discussion on this subject is IMHO an excellent idea but the proposed forum is a) not about this topic, b) it is buried in the following all day programme * Pornography and Other Nasties: Are the ISPs Liable? * Internet Governance: The Future of the DNS * Who Owns Netgate? Portability of IP Addresses * Ethics on the Internet * Does the Internet Need Government? * ThinkQuest: Announcing ISOCNZ as National Partner for ThinkQuest International which I certainly have no desire to sit through, and c) there's a charge to attend. So, while the need for a discussion (and action) is clear, (no pun intended) I have reservations as to this being the right forum for the discussion. Peter Mott wrote:
I think the Internet provider industry needs to be able to speak with a single voice. We can can achieve this by:- a) seizing the opportunity to grow ISOCNZ by joining up real quick or b) forming our own industry association sooner rather than later
I know a number of people in the Internet community share my reservations about ISOCNZ and have as a result avoided membership. However I think this is a clear opportunity for ISOCNZ to show leadership and, if they do, I for one would be prepared to "get in behind". Otherwise it's got to be option b) and that's probably a lot more painful. Some suggestions for the sort of leadership could be: 1. Change the subject to something more appropriate (Joe's suggestion looks good) 2. Fix a time for the discussion 3. Formally invite (write to? OK e-mail) industry players and ask them to send a rep 4. Treat it as an opportunity to show value for ISOCNZ membership (i.e. show value and we'll join) 5. Call for and distribute some papers in advance (again Joe's kick off paper makes a great starting point) 6. Drop the charge other than for direct expenses (if it's to be in Wellington we have costs enough to incur) How about it ISOCNZ? Robert Gray Clearview Communications, Auckland New Zealand bobg(a)clearview.co.nz mailto:bobg(a)clearfield.co.nz http://www.clearview.co.nz/ http://www.clearview.co.nz/ Phone DDI +64 9 529 5704, Fax +64 9 529 5702, Mob +64 25 971 860 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Mon, Nov 02, 1998 at 10:09:39AM +1300, Robert Gray wrote:
Joe Abley wrote:
I think a better heading would be: What can be done about the legacy of NZGATE-delegated addresses within NZ? Ongoing portability of IP addresses.
An open discussion on this subject is IMHO an excellent idea but the proposed forum is a) not about this topic, b) it is buried in the following all day programme
* Pornography and Other Nasties: Are the ISPs Liable? * Internet Governance: The Future of the DNS * Who Owns Netgate? Portability of IP Addresses * Ethics on the Internet * Does the Internet Need Government? * ThinkQuest: Announcing ISOCNZ as National Partner for ThinkQuest International
which I certainly have no desire to sit through, and c) there's a charge to attend.
If you're in Auckland, then it seems there is a bar in the Sky Tower that will be showing the proceedings on television -- I have been told there is no charge to attend the Sky Tower screening, other than the onerous requirement to purchase drinks from the bar. Unfortunately the arrangement is one-way, so any drunken heckling will not be heard in the capital :)
So, while the need for a discussion (and action) is clear, (no pun intended) I have reservations as to this being the right forum for the discussion.
I don't think there is a problem in discussing what _can_ be done in any
forum; this issue is a fundamental one to many users (although they might
not know it) and the debate needs to be as open and widespread as possible.
As I mentioned before, I share reservations that ISOCNZ is an appropriate
body to _dictate_ policy on this issue. However, it is probably a good
forum in which to make the issues more public.
Joe
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Joe Abley
Joe Abley wrote:
As I mentioned before, I share reservations that ISOCNZ is an appropriate body to _dictate_ policy on this issue. However, it is probably a good forum in which to make the issues more public.
Joe, I have the same reservations - in fact ISOCNZ is in no position to do such a thing - even if it wanted to. We have however been asked, by a number of ISPs and others to do 'something' about this issue and we feel that trying to get the parties together in a non-threatening environment is a good start. The solution, whatever it is must be 'owned' and agreed to by all involved - otherwise it has little chance of success. Clearly, Robert has a much better solution, which he is keeping from us at the moment - but I'm sure he will reveal all when he is ready. -- Regards Jim Higgins Phone 04)472 9949 Managing Director The Networking Edge Ltd Fax 04)385 9511 Chairman, The Internet Society of NZ Mob 021 963 268 P O Box 5275, WELLINGTON jhiggins(a)netedge.co.nz http://www.netedge.co.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
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