On 21/08/12 21:30, Gerard Creamer wrote:

On 21/08/12 2:50 PM, Jed Laundry wrote:

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"Next year's conference will be in Wellington."

As far as I am aware this is correct.

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"The NZNOG conferences will always be in the last usable week of January."

Also correct.

I point out that LCA 2013 (which has a reasonable crossover with several NZNOG players) is 28 Jan - 1 Feb. Does this mean it's going to conflict with NZNOG (again) ? Is it too hard to deconflict this? I have staff already looking to plan availability to attend either or both of the above, plot holidays and book flights. It'd be great if we could at least get a firm confirmation of NZNOG 2013's status. See also LinkedIn enquiries: http://ow.ly/dmFxO

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"Registrations will open on the 1st of September."

Um, this bit is somewhat more doubtful...

Yeah. I'm guessing we can't book tomorrow. Incidentally www.nznog.org still seems to be down.... Cheers Mark.

On 1 September 2012 13:10, Alastair Johnson wrote:

On 8/30/2012 10:40 PM, Mark Foster wrote:

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I point out that LCA 2013 (which has a reasonable crossover with several NZNOG players) is 28 Jan - 1 Feb. Does this mean it's going to conflict with NZNOG (again) ? Is it too hard to deconflict this?

LCA is free to move their dates if they want.

I'm pretty sure the date debate has been done to death.

LCA is a much larger conference, with a bigger operating budget, staff and organisational planning for dates and venues done well in advance of NZNOG by comparison. Suggesting they move their dates is; as I am sure you are aware - comical. Given the relatively small labour pool in NZ ICT/TELCO, there are bound to be individuals who are forced to attend one or the other and would rather not be faced with having to choose. Personally I am frustrated, that this has been a known re-occuring conflict for several years now, one which can easily be solved by moving the dates forward or back a week. So apart from preserving the status-quo of "Last usable week of January" what exactly does this accomplish? Apart from obviously decreasing the diversity of participation (and I would argue corollary the quality ) for the conference? -JoelW

On 2012-09-01 15:32 , Simon Lyall wrote:

Colour me confused but when I look online[1] NZNOG 2013 is listed as 21-25 Jan 2013 which is the week before LCA.

That was also my understanding of the announcement made at NZNOG 2012. That'd be the last _full_week_ which was entirely in January, particularly since NZNOG has traditionally been a Thu/Fri conference. (The following week, 28 Jan to 1 Feb, would put Thu/Fri crossing Jan and Feb.) I recall there being a question from the audience at the time that the announcement was made to attempt to clarify 2013 dates, which was answered with an emphasis on the entire week being in January. Which led people to assume, out loud, that it'd be 21-25 January 2013. Presumably the same reasoning lead to the event listings which Simon pointed at (and I see ISOC has projected those into the future through 2017 following the same reasoning). So I'm not quite sure why we're having this debate again either. (Obviously other than the lack of a concrete date announcement for 2013 on the NZNOG mailing list and/or website, to confirm the assumptions that people have made.) Ewen

On 8/31/2012 8:14 PM, Joel Wirāmu Pauling wrote:

LCA is a much larger conference, with a bigger operating budget, staff and organisational planning for dates and venues done well in advance of NZNOG by comparison. Suggesting they move their dates is; as I am sure you are aware - comical.

It is equally as likely that NZNOG will shift its date as LCA will. The trustees made it pretty clear at NZNOG 2012 that the date is locked in to provide long term planning and consistency.

Given the relatively small labour pool in NZ ICT/TELCO, there are bound to be individuals who are forced to attend one or the other and would rather not be faced with having to choose.

As an ICT/telco guy I've never once found myself going to LCA (or even thinking about it). I am aware the crossover exists but it is not that significantly sized, and frankly it is up to each individual attendee to determine which conference is the best fit for their individual and corporate needs. NZNOG does not aim to compete with LCA.

Personally I am frustrated, that this has been a known re-occuring conflict for several years now, one which can easily be solved by moving the dates forward or back a week.

Back a week conflicts with summer holidays for many. Forwards brings into question Auckland and Wellington anniversary days, Waitangi day, first day back at school etc, issues - as well as making it harder for international attendees/presenters who may have to juggle other commitments (NANOG, SANOG, ICANN etc). It is not a simple issue whatsoever. All the reasons for the date have been debated for many, many years, and at this point it is really, really old - for me, at least. Nothing will change. Get used to it and pick your conference to attend. aj Not speaking for NZNOG or anyone else.

More like forward conflicts with the Wellington sevens? :P Macca On 01/09/2012, at 2:30 PM, Alastair Johnson wrote:

On 8/31/2012 8:14 PM, Joel Wirāmu Pauling wrote:

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LCA is a much larger conference, with a bigger operating budget, staff and organisational planning for dates and venues done well in advance of NZNOG by comparison. Suggesting they move their dates is; as I am sure you are aware - comical.

It is equally as likely that NZNOG will shift its date as LCA will. The trustees made it pretty clear at NZNOG 2012 that the date is locked in to provide long term planning and consistency.

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Given the relatively small labour pool in NZ ICT/TELCO, there are bound to be individuals who are forced to attend one or the other and would rather not be faced with having to choose.

As an ICT/telco guy I've never once found myself going to LCA (or even thinking about it). I am aware the crossover exists but it is not that significantly sized, and frankly it is up to each individual attendee to determine which conference is the best fit for their individual and corporate needs. NZNOG does not aim to compete with LCA.

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Personally I am frustrated, that this has been a known re-occuring conflict for several years now, one which can easily be solved by moving the dates forward or back a week.

Back a week conflicts with summer holidays for many. Forwards brings into question Auckland and Wellington anniversary days, Waitangi day, first day back at school etc, issues - as well as making it harder for international attendees/presenters who may have to juggle other commitments (NANOG, SANOG, ICANN etc).

It is not a simple issue whatsoever. All the reasons for the date have been debated for many, many years, and at this point it is really, really old - for me, at least. Nothing will change. Get used to it and pick your conference to attend.

aj Not speaking for NZNOG or anyone else.

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