On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Jeremy Clyma wrote:

So if he truly believes this, "I don't know what the big fuss is for. Haven't they heard of the delete button?" then he shouldn't have an issue with telling the world his real name and address then should he.

I for one look forward to obtaining this information.

There was a guy that called us and at least one other ISP about a month ago who wanted to send around 1 to 5 million spams per week. Called himself Dave (at least when he called us) but he didn't call back (AFAIK) when we weren't very interested. I've heard mention that at least one NZ ISP is currently applying some pressure on another NZ ISP to clean up their spammers. Note that neither of the ISPs is ihug. We upgraded some of of our scripts on our mail servers a week or two ago and now we're picking up outgoing spam a lot quicker (usually within a few minutes of it starting) , most of the ones we detect (in NZ at least) are open relay type things however. I was under the impression that the few number of NZ ISPs, the lack of stupid Australian type laws and the fact that all NZ ISPs were fairly effeciect with fixing spamming customers meant that NZ spammers were pretty much under control. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz Ihug Ltd, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz

He called Quicksilver as well. I told him I didn't think we were a suitable ISP for his needs :) Claire Hurman Quicksilver Internet At 10:28 a.m. 21/03/2003 +1200, Craig Spiers wrote:

I too got a phone call from this guy - He was calling from a west auckland number however.

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On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Jeremy Clyma wrote:

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So if he truly believes this, "I don't know what the big fuss is for. Haven't they heard of the delete button?" then he shouldn't have an issue with telling the world his real name and address then should he.

I for one look forward to obtaining this information.

There was a guy that called us and at least one other ISP about a month ago who wanted to send around 1 to 5 million spams per week. Called himself Dave (at least when he called us) but he didn't call back (AFAIK) when we weren't very interested.

I've heard mention that at least one NZ ISP is currently applying some pressure on another NZ ISP to clean up their spammers. Note that neither of the ISPs is ihug.

We upgraded some of of our scripts on our mail servers a week or two ago and now we're picking up outgoing spam a lot quicker (usually within a few minutes of it starting) , most of the ones we detect (in NZ at least) are open relay type things however.

I was under the impression that the few number of NZ ISPs, the lack of stupid Australian type laws and the fact that all NZ ISPs were fairly effeciect with fixing spamming customers meant that NZ spammers were pretty much under control.

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As "Spamming" is not illegal in NZ all ISP's can do is kick the users off their service, and then the user goes to another ISP and does the same and so on but due to the privacy laws there is no way of a "bad internet users in NZ" List which can be made up. One way I heard video stores got past the privacy law I heard was to send out the a Picture taken off the video cameras in the store to other video shops to show bad payers/people who never returned video tapes (Gives out no personal information of a person), but I don't know how this could be used in the internet market.

Out to the Web? Not to mail servers?

You know.. the "InterWeb" (see certain bank add)

Even so, why would anyone hire NZ spammers as opposed to say US ones? The majority of spam refers back to the US, and I can't imagine there being a shortage of spammers over there. Are they cheaper here, or is there some other reason?

I am pretty it was sure one of these guys who rang me up a week ago at ~12 midnight asking if I wanted to sell my "spam.co.nz" domain name. When I asked him what he wanted to do with it he said he wanted to send spam from it.. I told him to email me, but he didn't (After I told him I worked at an ISP). Thanks Craig Whitmore

On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Juha Saarinen wrote:

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You know.. the "InterWeb" (see certain bank add)

That's the one you download if you're a cool hacker, yea?

No, that's the "Gibson". JSR -- John S Russell | Big Geek | Doing geek stuff.

Why not MD5SUM the name of the user? Provide that to a list and any users with the same MD5 are not given service? Protects the privacy of people and sticks it to those that Spam. I may not be the best of internet users but even I agreee that spamers need to be stopped. Eon. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. SLi http://www.sli.net.nz

Sure, that'd be a great method - wouldn't stop them completely though as they could always establish a new account under a false or someone elses name. Edward ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert McDonald" To: "Eon" ; "Stephen Judd" Cc: Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [nznog] "Captain Bob" and "^god" IANAL (uses new catch phrase) Why not supply ALL the customers details (or as much as known) in a (forced to lower case) MD5SUM. Generaly they would not use the same username. If the telcos suplying DSL/other would take advice from the ISPs that the particular user was troublesome or breached a commonly agreed to T&C they would get their delivery method (what ever it may be) terminated. Having for instance your DSL line choped of, even for a month or two, would have a huge impact. IMHO, Rob On Fri, 21 Mar 2003 19:38, Eon wrote:

Why not MD5SUM the name of the user? Provide that to a list and any users with the same MD5 are not given service? Protects the privacy of people and sticks it to those that Spam. I may not be the best of internet users but even I agreee that spamers need to be stopped.

Eon.

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Just wait and see how Australia gets along with its idea for a register of Sex Offenders, then do the same thing =) Dean On Fri, Mar 21, 2003 at 07:38:58PM +1200, Eon wrote:

Why not MD5SUM the name of the user? Provide that to a list and any users with the same MD5 are not given service? Protects the privacy of people and sticks it to those that Spam. I may not be the best of internet users but even I agreee that spamers need to be stopped.

Eon.

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