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From: "Simon Lyall"
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Talk about disapointing. Twice the speed of Jetstart with the download limits and pricing of Jetstream.
-- Simon J. Lyall | Very Busy | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/ "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT.
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I don't think many people will go for it at all....
Jetstream 256 500 = $39.95
Jetstream Full 500 = $49.95
Thanks
Craig
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From: "Simon Lyall"
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Talk about disapointing. Twice the speed of Jetstart with the download limits and pricing of Jetstream.
-- Simon J. Lyall | Very Busy | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/ "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT.
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Matthias Dallmeier wrote:
Craig Whitmore wrote:
I don't think many people will go for it at all....
Jetstream 256 500 = $39.95 Jetstream Full 500 = $49.95
"New and improved broadband: Now capped *and* bandwidth limited!"
And that's the way we like it :P I think this list would probably be MUCH more surprised (read multiple cardiac arrests) if Telecom had actually released some realistic pricing. This gouging shit is exactly what we've come to expect, and the speculation in the lead-up to this announcement has been roughly along the lines of what we've just seen. Juha, you going to be scathing in print?
well hey
at least pricing like this promotes competition
if the ll is ever unbundled, 'fringe' operators will have bypassed it a long
time ago
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From: "Matthew Poole"
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Matthias Dallmeier wrote:
Craig Whitmore wrote:
I don't think many people will go for it at all....
Jetstream 256 500 = $39.95 Jetstream Full 500 = $49.95
"New and improved broadband: Now capped *and* bandwidth limited!"
And that's the way we like it :P
I think this list would probably be MUCH more surprised (read multiple cardiac arrests) if Telecom had actually released some realistic pricing. This gouging shit is exactly what we've come to expect, and the speculation in the lead-up to this announcement has been roughly along the lines of what we've just seen.
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Thomas Salmen wrote:
well hey
at least pricing like this promotes competition
if the ll is ever unbundled, 'fringe' operators will have bypassed it a long time ago
It doesn't do anything for the competition, because effectively, Telecom owns most of NZ's data circuits, with Telstra sitting on the rest. Too late to route around that now, so get used to being gouged. -- Regards, Juha C program run. C program crash. C programmer quit.
perhaps you're right reckon ww or wiredcountry would get very far if 512k dsl was $40/month flatrate? with a 50,000+ userbase already despite rather ridiculous pricing? dsl is a lot further along the product development path. i guess thats the monopoly mindset
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Thomas Salmen wrote:
well hey
at least pricing like this promotes competition
if the ll is ever unbundled, 'fringe' operators will have bypassed it a long time ago
It doesn't do anything for the competition, because effectively, Telecom owns most of NZ's data circuits, with Telstra sitting on the rest.
Too late to route around that now, so get used to being gouged.
-- Regards,
Juha C program run. C program crash. C programmer quit.
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Matthew Poole wrote:
Juha, you going to be scathing in print?
I'd be very surprised if anyone in the meejah isn't. Have already flamed Sandra Geange for the changes which are a complete joke and as you say, abuse of Telecom's monopoly position. -- Regards, Juha C program run. C program crash. C programmer quit.
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Juha Saarinen wrote:
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Matthew Poole wrote:
Juha, you going to be scathing in print?
I'd be very surprised if anyone in the meejah isn't.
This is true. We don't seem to have the corporate toadying here, which is nice. Telecom get nicely roasted quite often.
Have already flamed Sandra Geange for the changes which are a complete joke and as you say, abuse of Telecom's monopoly position.
It will be interesting to see what the pollie tubbies and the Telecom's Commissioner have to say about it. The gummint's been rather silent about the Evil Empire of late, but this latest joke might start a new round of grumbling - At least we don't have Morry anymore.
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Matthew Poole wrote:
It will be interesting to see what the pollie tubbies and the Telecom's Commissioner have to say about it. The gummint's been rather silent about the Evil Empire of late, but this latest joke might start a new round of grumbling - At least we don't have Morry anymore.
"500MB should be enough for everyone." As JSR said, you chew through more just trying to keep Windows up-to-date. -- Regards, Juha C program run. C program crash. C programmer quit.
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Juha Saarinen wrote:
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Matthew Poole wrote:
"500MB should be enough for everyone."
Anyone who needs more than 500MB is just using it for warez, pr0n and copyright infringement. Everyone knows that. RIANZ probably helped Telecom come up with the pricing model (I wouldn't be surprised, actually) </TONGUE-IN-CHEEK>
As JSR said, you chew through more just trying to keep Windows up-to-date.
And we still get to pay extra for all the traffic generated by the little Windows greeblies.
Released:
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Talk about disapointing. Twice the speed of Jetstart with the download limits and pricing of Jetstream.
"The 1000 MB plan will be suited to those people who download more significant amounts including occasionally listening to music, watching video clips or sending and receiving large documents and files. " Oh yeah, that's an amazing amount... not even enough to download the ISO images required to burn a copy of RHL 9. -- Juha
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Juha Saarinen wrote:
Oh yeah, that's an amazing amount... not even enough to download the ISO images required to burn a copy of RHL 9.
These prices are all a bit laughable, but the 256Kbits/sec 500MB plan is particularly chortle-worthy. Slow AND limited, now THAT's what I call INNOVATIVE! I think I've done more than 500MB worth of win32 patches from MS Windowsupdate in the past month, never mind anything else. Crazy. But you know, all of these prices would be great, if TCNZ were restricting their 20c/meg excess charge to INTERNATIONAL traffic only and chucking in domestic for free. Which was what I was hoping to see in this latest announcement. But, alas, I am once again over-optimistic. JSR -- John S Russell | Big Geek | Doing geek stuff.
At 03:15 p.m. 22/08/2003 +1200, J S Russell wrote:
their 20c/meg excess charge to INTERNATIONAL traffic only and chucking in domestic for free.
ah but then you'd do VOIP and talk to your mates forever for nothing, and it might catch on and your mates might do it too and then who would need a fone ? Actually I think we worked out that a Voip call DSL to DSL costs 3c a minute - nationwide. One customer paid off his gear in 3 months and now does it Internationally...... rich
But you know, all of these prices would be great, if TCNZ were restricting their 20c/meg excess charge to INTERNATIONAL traffic only and chucking in domestic for free. Which was what I was hoping to see in this latest announcement. But, alas, I am once again over-optimistic.
JSR
What I'm personally finding most amazing is how our friendly national telecoms operators continue to market bandwidth intensive wireless services, remote connectivity/collaboration and all the generally snazzy things you can do with the wonders of PDAs, tablets, smartphones, etc without offering the pricing model to back it up and ensure any kind of reasonable take up of the services. Telecom doesn't seem to be able to offer any kind of reasonably priced fixed line broadband access, let alone anything in the area of wireless. Here's hoping that other wireless services break down the barriers and render the incumbents vulnerable to the whims of a competitive market eh? Chad Wilson
yawn
well, 256k does meet the oecd definition of broadband....
what was the walkers ipwireless 256k pricing? $58 flatrate?
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From: "Juha Saarinen"
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Talk about disapointing. Twice the speed of Jetstart with the download limits and pricing of Jetstream.
"The 1000 MB plan will be suited to those people who download more significant amounts including occasionally listening to music, watching video clips or sending and receiving large documents and files. "
Oh yeah, that's an amazing amount... not even enough to download the ISO images required to burn a copy of RHL 9.
-- Juha
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On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 15:44, Juha Saarinen wrote:
Released:
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Talk about disapointing. Twice the speed of Jetstart with the download limits and pricing of Jetstream.
"The 1000 MB plan will be suited to those people who download more significant amounts including occasionally listening to music, watching video clips or sending and receiving large documents and files. "
Oh yeah, that's an amazing amount... not even enough to download the ISO images required to burn a copy of RHL 9.
I do about 1.5GB a month.....without even trying.
500MB is pathetic.
--
Steve Withers
On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 10:36 PM, Simon Lyall wrote:
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Talk about disapointing. Twice the speed of Jetstart with the download limits and pricing of Jetstream.
As a comparison here in Mexico (which followed NZ's telco privatisation moves almost to the letter) UNMETERED DSL rings in at 500 pesos/month (NZ$79) for 256k, 900 pesos/month (NZ$141) for 512k and 4500 pesos/month (NZ$709) for 2000k. And free installation.
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Andy Gardner wrote:
As a comparison here in Mexico (which followed NZ's telco privatisation moves almost to the letter) UNMETERED DSL rings in at 500 pesos/month (NZ$79) for 256k, 900 pesos/month (NZ$141) for 512k and 4500 pesos/month (NZ$709) for 2000k. And free installation.
More details... dynamic or static IP addresses? Forced NAT or can you have your own small public netblocks behind the router? -- Regards, Juha C program run. C program crash. C programmer quit.
On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 11:31 PM, Juha Saarinen wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Andy Gardner wrote:
As a comparison here in Mexico (which followed NZ's telco privatisation moves almost to the letter) UNMETERED DSL rings in at 500 pesos/month (NZ$79) for 256k, 900 pesos/month (NZ$141) for 512k and 4500 pesos/month (NZ$709) for 2000k. And free installation.
More details... dynamic or static IP addresses? Forced NAT or can you have your own small public netblocks behind the router?
Dynamic publically routable single IP # (within the prodigy.net.mx spam farm). Leave the connection up and the IP # sticks around for weeks. Their business DSL offering may have better options, but information is thin on the ground. So are technicians, at present. Next WTO meeting is here in Cancun in September and they're all busy adding trunks to ensure the hotels have the required capacity. An extra 5000 or so trunks going in along the hotel strip, I'm led to believe.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Lyall"
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Judging by the wording "The reliable download speed of the new plans, managed by Telecom" then this service is supplied using the FastIPDirect model, i.e. Telecom are the ISP. FastIP remains limited to 128kbs ... "...will continue to have the option of JetStream Starter, which is up to three times faster than dial-up (up to 128 kbps download and upload) with usage managed by ISPs." So it looks like Telecom have added to their monopoly over broadband DSL via the local loop. ISPs are only able to offer 128k Jetxxx service. Cheers BG.
On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 03:36:51PM +1200, Simon Lyall wrote:
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Talk about disapointing. Twice the speed of Jetstart with the download limits and pricing of Jetstream.
And looking at the rest of their usage plans, there is still no option for a Jetstream Starter 256kbps package, or higher, with a generous, ISP specified cap. Wasn't their mention of a Jetstream Starter 256 and 512 package some time ago? I think it was just a romour, but was there any substance to it? -- Cameron Kerr cameron.kerr(a)paradise.net.nz : http://nzgeeks.org/cameron/ Empowered by Perl!
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