Re: [nznog] New Trans-Tasman submarine cable
How are prices high when it costs the same to land data on SCCN NZ-US as it does AU-US and there is 3 cables going into AU?
NZ is a small population with a low wage economy spread across a very mountainous geography that the vast majority of people only use less than 30gb of data....
Fix those issues and we will all have cheaper internet.
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From: "Chris Hodgetts"
More Cables = Good.
This is a pretty good site. Still shows Tasman-2. http://submarinecablemap.com/
Christian
-----Original Message----- From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Kris Price Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 4:29 PM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [nznog] New Trans-Tasman submarine cable
Oh, looky, a new cable:
http://www.telecom-media.co.nz/releases_detail.asp?id=3880&page=index
I'm curious about something though, maybe someone on the list can share a bit of history. Is Tasman-2 still active in some capacity?
I had always assumed it was shutdown after southern cross was built, but it's still shown often on cable maps such as the one in that press release:
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How are prices high when it costs the same to land data on SCCN NZ-US as it does AU-US and there is 3 cables going into AU?
NZ is a small population with a low wage economy spread across a very mountainous geography that the vast majority of people only use less
Or do people only use less than 30gb of data because they are caped to or
around this level...
and are constantly monitoring their usage so as to not go over.. due to
the low wage economy not being able to afford anymore..
We cant fix the mountainous geography - But then nor can Norway, South
American countries or Sweden just to name a few...
And yes their populations are larger I accept that, but then many South
American countries could be considered a low wage economy as well..
On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:16:24 +1300, Peter Lambrechtsen
30gb of data....
Fix those issues and we will all have cheaper internet.
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To: "nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz" Subject: [nznog] New Trans-Tasman submarine cable Date: Tue, Feb 19, 2013 11:15 pm Yes - more cables does equal good...
However, given the three Telco's involved... does it still mean high prices?
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 00:32:43 +0000, Christian Nielsen
wrote: More Cables = Good.
This is a pretty good site. Still shows Tasman-2. http://submarinecablemap.com/
Christian
-----Original Message----- From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Kris Price Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 4:29 PM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [nznog] New Trans-Tasman submarine cable
Oh, looky, a new cable:
http://www.telecom-media.co.nz/releases_detail.asp?id=3880&page=index
I'm curious about something though, maybe someone on the list can share a bit of history. Is Tasman-2 still active in some capacity?
I had always assumed it was shutdown after southern cross was built, but it's still shown often on cable maps such as the one in that press release:
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On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Peter Lambrechtsen
How are prices high when it costs the same to land data on SCCN NZ-US as it does AU-US and there is 3 cables going into AU?
Sorry I don't get what you're saying here. Probably just me being dense, could you expand?
NZ is a small population with a low wage economy spread across a very mountainous geography that the vast majority of people only use less than 30gb of data....
Thats true, but it changes. At one point it was impossible to imagine that people would even require 1gb/month. You want the speed of capability to keep pace with the speed of demand. The problem is that capability is always slower to accelerate.
Fix those issues and we will all have cheaper internet.
I don't necessarily want cheaper. I want one which matches my expectations more. =) Dean
Peter was saying that SCX charges the same to NZ companies as they charge AU companies, even though one could obviously say there is a much bigger market in AU.
In effect we are paying the (lower) Australian prices for the SCX data.
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Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 2013 08:58
To: Peter Lambrechtsen
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Subject: Re: [nznog] New Trans-Tasman submarine cable
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Peter Lambrechtsen
How are prices high when it costs the same to land data on SCCN NZ-US as it does AU-US and there is 3 cables going into AU?
Sorry I don't get what you're saying here. Probably just me being dense, could you expand?
NZ is a small population with a low wage economy spread across a very mountainous geography that the vast majority of people only use less than 30gb of data....
Thats true, but it changes. At one point it was impossible to imagine that people would even require 1gb/month. You want the speed of capability to keep pace with the speed of demand. The problem is that capability is always slower to accelerate.
Fix those issues and we will all have cheaper internet.
I don't necessarily want cheaper. I want one which matches my expectations more. =) Dean _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog
On 20/02/2013, at 7:16 AM, Peter Lambrechtsen
How are prices high when it costs the same to land data on SCCN NZ-US as it does AU-US and there is 3 cables going into AU?
List prices are the same but the unlisted discounts are significant and they favour the stronger buyers. AU buyers are generally much stronger because they buy more bandwidth and they can shop around between cables for prices. Jay
NZ is a small population with a low wage economy spread across a very mountainous geography that the vast majority of people only use less than 30gb of data....
Fix those issues and we will all have cheaper internet.
Sent from my HTC Wildfire S on Telecom's XT mobile network.
----- Reply message ----- From: "Chris Hodgetts"
To: "nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz" Subject: [nznog] New Trans-Tasman submarine cable Date: Tue, Feb 19, 2013 11:15 pm Yes - more cables does equal good...
However, given the three Telco's involved... does it still mean high prices?
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 00:32:43 +0000, Christian Nielsen
wrote: More Cables = Good.
This is a pretty good site. Still shows Tasman-2. http://submarinecablemap.com/
Christian
-----Original Message----- From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Kris Price Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 4:29 PM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [nznog] New Trans-Tasman submarine cable
Oh, looky, a new cable:
http://www.telecom-media.co.nz/releases_detail.asp?id=3880&page=index
I'm curious about something though, maybe someone on the list can share a bit of history. Is Tasman-2 still active in some capacity?
I had always assumed it was shutdown after southern cross was built, but it's still shown often on cable maps such as the one in that press release:
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