The renewal fee isn't going up by $10 a year. DOMAINZ at present charge what I would call a combined registry/registrar fee of $44 (or $74 for new customers) for those who register directly through them. Under the SRS the registry fee will be $24 and each registrar will charge their own registrar fee on top of that. DOMAINZ have signalled their prices and services, other registrars will vary no doubt. The idea behind the SRS is that registrants will be able to choose the registrar which offers what they want - price will be a factor in this but so will other considerations such as service, billing terms, bundling of other services etc.
I could justify keeping a couple of lines in a text file for a year for a few hot breakfasts, but not the increase the fee's gone up to.
You are right that the variable cost of registering a domain name is very low. There have been significant costs involved in setting up the SRS, consultation on business and technical rules etc and that is why the registry fee has been set at $2/month to cover depreciation etc. A major cost is actually paying for DNS Name Server Operations incidentially. I personally hope that after a short while this fee will track downwards once costs of running the new registry are known as opposed to projections. DPF - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, David Farrar wrote:
Surely the cost of implementing the SRS should be paid from the large cash reserves that Domainz and its sole shareholder InternetNZ have accumulated over the last few years. I'd still like to know why I can register a domain name in .com and .net etc for a fraction of the cost of doing it in New Zealand. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Andy Linton wrote:
I'd still like to know why I can register a domain name in .com and .net etc for a fraction of the cost of doing it in New Zealand.
Have you any idea how much business class tickets to ICANN gab-fests are from NZ? Huh? Huh? If you did, you wouldn't be asking such fatuous questions. -- Juha Saarinen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 08:34:35PM +1200, Andy Linton wrote:
I'd still like to know why I can register a domain name in .com and .net etc for a fraction of the cost of doing it in New Zealand.
You never played Monopoly as a kid? --cw - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
claiming to be Andy Linton,
I'd still like to know why I can register a domain name in .com and .net etc for a fraction of the cost of doing it in New Zealand.
Let's just say the reason is similar to why you still pay $30/month for the use of a few bits of copper. -m - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Andy Linton wrote:
I'd still like to know why I can register a domain name in .com and .net etc for a fraction of the cost of doing it in New Zealand.
Because there is a choice of provider in .com and .net name spaces. Soon there will be a choice in .nz As long as the registry and its domain name commissioner running costs don't get too silly, there should be a downward trend in price. Maybe Domainz is hedging against a possible increase in wholesale price. Or maybe adjusting now for an expected rapid decline in customers :-) -- Peter Mott Chief Enthusiast 2DAY INTERNET LIMITED http://www.2day.com "Hell, there are no rules here - we're trying to accomplish something!" Thomas A Edison - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On 24 Sep 2002 at 21:04, Peter Mott wrote:
Maybe Domainz is hedging against a possible increase in wholesale price.
The Domain name prices from Domainz had to rise as we were (and until 1 October still are) selling names wholesale for less than the $24 that the new registry is to charge. As a result we have been obliged to increase the wholesale rates for large providers. The bulk bill fee for domain names has been standardised at the existing low volume provider level of $35+gst per name. To allow resellers (including Domainz) to maintain their margins we felt obliged to increase the retail price, hopefully this can be reduced in the future. The company (or I) would be happy to send a complete price schedule to anyone who is interested -- Robert Gray bob(a)brockhurst.co.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On 24 Sep 2002, at 20:34, Andy Linton wrote:
A point about this. InternetNZ funded NZRS with 1/3 equity and 2/3 short term loan. InternetNZ treated (well when I was treasurer) the capital as sunk cost and does not expect it to be repaid. Also all the costs before NZRS was incorporated were absorbed by InternetNZ (about 300k). The loan is expected to be repaid within 6 -9 months or so (I dont have the spreadsheets on me) with a good hunk being paid when the prepaid fees that domainz has in cash and as a liability, are turned over to the new registry. Also starting at the time of the SRS Domainz will be running at a projected loss so money is required to pay for that in the _short_ term (October next year)
I'd still like to know why I can register a domain name in .com and .net etc for a fraction of the cost of doing it in New Zealand.
Street price is about $40 in NZ... street price for a .com is about $15 US... I dont really see a great deal of price difference. On a related note I would like to know why Domainz's large clients were being subsidised by their small clients (when the reverse is almost always true). SPH - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:34:35 +1200 (NZST), Andy Linton
In a physical sense yes they are being paid for out of reserves rather than borrowing money from a bank. During the first 18 months of the new registry it is forecast that no dividends will be paid to INZ (which will run off reserves) until the registry is in a position where it has covered the depreciation on the SRS.
I'd still like to know why I can register a domain name in .com and .net etc for a fraction of the cost of doing it in New Zealand.
The registry fee for .com with 30 million names is US$6 which is NZ$12.80. The registry fee for .nz with 115,000 names has been set at NZ24. It is a matter of record that I voted for a slightly lower fee ($21.36 or $1.78/mth) but the majority of my colleagues felt costs and revenue for the SRS were too uncertain so went for a slightly higher figure with a hopeful downwards revision once costs are known. DPF -- david(a)farrar.com ICQ 29964527 - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 11:04:01PM +1200, DPF wrote:
Vote with your feet people - not the whinging and moaning. If you don't like how much you're paying for a .nz domain over a .com one - then DON'T BUY ONE. I'm looking at moving all my mail over to deanpemberton.com and killing flatnet.gen.nz for this reason. Don't just moan about it - DO something about it. Dean (roll on .geek.nz) - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 11:11:33PM +1200, Dean Pemberton wrote:
I'm looking at moving all my mail over to deanpemberton.com and killing flatnet.gen.nz for this reason.
Except you can't, not really. Someone will just register flatnet.gen.nz and impersonate you, taking all you email and spam sent to the former address. --cw - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On 24 Sep 2002 at 20:34, Andy Linton wrote:
Domainz has paid dividends of $1.5 million this financial year (since 1 April) and will be making a payment of approximately another $1.2 million being the registry fee prepayments(1) once the registry goes live next month The cash reserves were accumulated to replace the DRS, which will only be partially complete with the SRS implementation. Domainz's big cash reserves are gone. (1) This is calculated at $2 per month for the outstanding period of each domain name in the register -- Robert Gray bob(a)brockhurst.co.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
participants (10)
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Andy Linton
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Chris Wedgwood
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David Farrar
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Dean Pemberton
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DPF
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Juha Saarinen
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Michael Jager
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Peter Mott
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Robert Gray
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Steven Heath