is there any nand experts on here? I just was just wondering why none of the moblie phone providers have but local numbers on a cell like we do in the states. I was just wondering not very familiar with NAND stuff here in NZ. James Jones Managing Director Freedom Networks +64 6 3678300 +1 413 771 1402 james(a)freedomnet.co.nz
Presumably because they don't want to? On 20/04/2009, at 2:13 PM, James Jones wrote:
is there any nand experts on here? I just was just wondering why none of the moblie phone providers have but local numbers on a cell like we do in the states. I was just wondering not very familiar with NAND stuff here in NZ.
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In the US it's user pays - so if someone calls you then you pay to receive the call. That's why their plans are in minutes. The minutes are in AND out. In OZ, Orange (now Three/3) tried it on their CDMA network, but it never took off. They restricted it to a location (ie. it did some checking that you were within a certain physical area). In Oz the legal requirements are that a geographic number is tied to a physical location (well, kind of, it's wierd), so I guess the legality of it is difficult. The other thing, which is a bit hidden, is that carriers receive MUCH more revenue for call termination on mobile than land line. In Oz it's 9-12c/min for mobile but 1c/min for PSTN (or there abouts). The question in my mind is - it's easy enough to forward calls from a land line (call forward all) so if you're not willing to do that and pay for the minutes, would you be willing to do it? MMC On 20/04/2009, at 12:06 PM, Patrick Jordan-Smith wrote:
Presumably because they don't want to?
On 20/04/2009, at 2:13 PM, James Jones wrote:
is there any nand experts on here? I just was just wondering why none of the moblie phone providers have but local numbers on a cell like we do in the states. I was just wondering not very familiar with NAND stuff here in NZ.
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Without going into a sales pitch (you can get the detail off our website) we do offer such things... Home Phone Wireless is a fixed-line service running over our mobile network (so you get a landline number). Home Zone tells your phone you're in the house when you arrive home and converts it from a mobile to your landline number (which I think is what you're talking about in the US). And just to clarify a point about mobile termination rates - MTR and Fixed Termination Rates (FTR) are exactly the same in NZ. We don't differentiate. Currently they're both 15c/minute (due to decline by another cent in April next year). Cheers Paul Paul Brislen External Communications Manager Vodafone New Zealand 021 721 337 From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Matthew Moyle-Croft Sent: Monday, 20 April 2009 2:44 p.m. To: Patrick Jordan-Smith Cc: NZNOG Subject: Re: [nznog] NAND In the US it's user pays - so if someone calls you then you pay to receive the call. That's why their plans are in minutes. The minutes are in AND out. In OZ, Orange (now Three/3) tried it on their CDMA network, but it never took off. They restricted it to a location (ie. it did some checking that you were within a certain physical area). In Oz the legal requirements are that a geographic number is tied to a physical location (well, kind of, it's wierd), so I guess the legality of it is difficult. The other thing, which is a bit hidden, is that carriers receive MUCH more revenue for call termination on mobile than land line. In Oz it's 9-12c/min for mobile but 1c/min for PSTN (or there abouts). The question in my mind is - it's easy enough to forward calls from a land line (call forward all) so if you're not willing to do that and pay for the minutes, would you be willing to do it? MMC On 20/04/2009, at 12:06 PM, Patrick Jordan-Smith wrote: Presumably because they don't want to? On 20/04/2009, at 2:13 PM, James Jones wrote: is there any nand experts on here? I just was just wondering why none of the moblie phone providers have but local numbers on a cell like we do in the states. I was just wondering not very familiar with NAND stuff here in NZ. James Jones Managing Director Freedom Networks +64 6 3678300 +1 413 771 1402 james(a)freedomnet.co.nz _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog -- Matthew Moyle-Croft Networks, Internode/Agile Level 5, 162 Grenfell Street, Adelaide, SA 5000 Australia Email: mmc(a)internode.com.au Web: http://www.on.net http://www.on.net/ Direct: +61-8-8228-2909 Mobile: +61-419-900-366 Reception: +61-8-8228-2999 Fax: +61-8-8235-6909 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unless otherwise stated, any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not represent those of Vodafone New Zealand Limited.
I'm not sure what NAND stands for, but there was a trial about 10 or 15 years ago by either Telecom or Bellsouth (I forget which), putting "local" numbers on to mobile handsets. I think we can surmise by the lack of service offering now that they didn't go ahead with it. I have a Skype account with a couple of landline numbers in various places around the world, and I forward them to my mobile if I don't answer on my computer. It works fine for me, and Skype's NZ mobile termination rates aren't too bad so it's a good solution for me. On 20/04/2009, at 2:36 PM, Patrick Jordan-Smith wrote:
Presumably because they don't want to?
On 20/04/2009, at 2:13 PM, James Jones wrote:
is there any nand experts on here? I just was just wondering why none of the moblie phone providers have but local numbers on a cell like we do in the states. I was just wondering not very familiar with NAND stuff here in NZ.
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I do exactly what Nathan does with Skype and it works well. You can check your Skype VM's and call internationally using Skype rates all from your mobile. -----Original Message----- From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Nathan Ward Sent: Monday, 20 April 2009 2:47 p.m. To: nznog Subject: Re: [nznog] NAND I'm not sure what NAND stands for, but there was a trial about 10 or 15 years ago by either Telecom or Bellsouth (I forget which), putting "local" numbers on to mobile handsets. I think we can surmise by the lack of service offering now that they didn't go ahead with it. I have a Skype account with a couple of landline numbers in various places around the world, and I forward them to my mobile if I don't answer on my computer. It works fine for me, and Skype's NZ mobile termination rates aren't too bad so it's a good solution for me. On 20/04/2009, at 2:36 PM, Patrick Jordan-Smith wrote:
Presumably because they don't want to?
On 20/04/2009, at 2:13 PM, James Jones wrote:
is there any nand experts on here? I just was just wondering why none of the moblie phone providers have but local numbers on a cell like we do in the states. I was just wondering not very familiar with NAND stuff here in NZ.
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On 20/04/09 14:13, James Jones wrote:
I just was just wondering why none of the moblie phone providers have but local numbers on a cell like we do in the states.
Vodafone have done it: http://www.vodafone.co.nz/local-zone/index.jsp and http://www.vodafone.co.nz/home-phone-and-broadband/home-phone-plus/index.jsp (The latter option doesn't give you a local number on a "cell phone," but it is on a wireless device). -Mike
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