In which case it was half the Internet - and if all we had was 14K for the whole country - well, say no more. Its debatable if that really was an Internet connection in the modern sense. 14K poses a significant restriction on what was actually possible, even back then. and yes - it is 14K each way - because a leased line is two pairs (four wires), not two wires like a home user has with a dial-up modem. It's a full duplex link, and yes we (cough) have moved along way in nearly 20 years, broadband may be faster on occasions. And not detecting a cariier - it can't detect the carrier signal from the modem at the other end - because both should see each others carrier. -----Original Message----- From: Perry Lorier [mailto:perry(a)coders.net] Sent: Friday, 2 June 2006 4:59 p.m. To: Jeremy Strachan Subject: Re: [nznog] What is this? [offlist so as not to give the game away]
ah, so young ... Its pre-Internet ..
Not quite, it was the modem used out of Waikato for New Zealands Internet connection around 1989ish. I think that means it's not "Pre Internet", it /was/ the Internet!
In which case it was half the Internet - and if all we had was 14K for the whole country - well, say no more.
Its debatable if that really was an Internet connection in the modern sense.
Well I was using it for NNTP, SMTP, FTP on the Waikato link when it was 2.4K and then 4.8K and it seemed like the Internet to me then.... -- Ian McDonald Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4 Blog: http://imcdnzl.blogspot.com WAND Network Research Group Department of Computer Science University of Waikato New Zealand
Ian McDonald wrote:
In which case it was half the Internet - and if all we had was 14K for the whole country - well, say no more.
Its debatable if that really was an Internet connection in the modern sense.
Well I was using it for NNTP, SMTP, FTP on the Waikato link when it was 2.4K and then 4.8K and it seemed like the Internet to me then....
I remember a 1200bps dial up modem my dad had.... -- Bill Walker, MCSE, MCP+I ------------------------------------------------------------- Phone: +64 21 298 6741 Email: bill.walker(a)netspeed.net.nz ICQ: 4746863 MSN: msn(a)wjw.co.uk Skype: wjw.co.uk
I used to use Pacnet on a 1200/75 modem on a regular basis. That would have been late 80's from memory. Shane Bill Walker wrote:
Ian McDonald wrote:
In which case it was half the Internet - and if all we had was 14K for the whole country - well, say no more.
Its debatable if that really was an Internet connection in the modern sense.
Well I was using it for NNTP, SMTP, FTP on the Waikato link when it was 2.4K and then 4.8K and it seemed like the Internet to me then....
I remember a 1200bps dial up modem my dad had....
That would be about right.. Anyone worked with MFM hard drives? shane hobson wrote:
I used to use Pacnet on a 1200/75 modem on a regular basis. That would have been late 80's from memory.
Shane
Bill Walker wrote:
Ian McDonald wrote:
In which case it was half the Internet - and if all we had was 14K for the whole country - well, say no more.
Its debatable if that really was an Internet connection in the modern sense.
Well I was using it for NNTP, SMTP, FTP on the Waikato link when it was 2.4K and then 4.8K and it seemed like the Internet to me then....
I remember a 1200bps dial up modem my dad had....
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I used to use a 75/300 bps modem from the office attached to a Luggable computer with 9 inch color screen to access Usenet and the local Bulletin Board Systems... I remember some of you guys (that read this group) as spotty faced teens (and in one case a pre-teen) who frequented the NZ BBS ... I also played with MFM, RLL, ESDI, SCSI, etc hard drives!! Ian Cousins Bill Walker wrote:
That would be about right..
Anyone worked with MFM hard drives?
shane hobson wrote:
I used to use Pacnet on a 1200/75 modem on a regular basis. That would have been late 80's from memory.
Shane
Bill Walker wrote:
Ian McDonald wrote:
In which case it was half the Internet - and if all we had was 14K for the whole country - well, say no more.
Its debatable if that really was an Internet connection in the modern sense.
Well I was using it for NNTP, SMTP, FTP on the Waikato link when it was 2.4K and then 4.8K and it seemed like the Internet to me then....
I remember a 1200bps dial up modem my dad had....
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The first modem I remember using was when I was 12, a 300 baud modem with manual connect/data buttons. fun to use. ascii pr0n. bbs's and usegroups (all 'illegal' by school rules... However at the same time I remember doing "whiteboard" a/v conferences with universities (Hawaii and Waikato?) over this facy ISDN thingy at Evans Bay Intermediate School, in Welly. That was circa '91. Those were the days. -Jo. On 3/06/2006, at 09:50 , Phonenet wrote:
I used to use a 75/300 bps modem from the office attached to a Luggable computer with 9 inch color screen to access Usenet and the local Bulletin Board Systems... I remember some of you guys (that read this group) as spotty faced teens (and in one case a pre-teen) who frequented the NZ BBS ... I also played with MFM, RLL, ESDI, SCSI, etc hard drives!!
Ian Cousins
Bill Walker wrote:
That would be about right..
Anyone worked with MFM hard drives?
shane hobson wrote:
I used to use Pacnet on a 1200/75 modem on a regular basis. That would have been late 80's from memory.
Shane
Bill Walker wrote:
Ian McDonald wrote:
In which case it was half the Internet - and if all we had was 14K for the whole country - well, say no more.
Its debatable if that really was an Internet connection in the modern sense.
Well I was using it for NNTP, SMTP, FTP on the Waikato link when it was 2.4K and then 4.8K and it seemed like the Internet to me then....
I remember a 1200bps dial up modem my dad had....
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