In these possibly humour impaired times...... it is not often one gets a giggle at competitors equipment. Here is a picture of a recently announced IP phone from a Canadian vendor :-) (Hard hat-on, iron-underpants in place, Cisco product abuse shields operational.... Warp speed Mr Sulu.......) :-) -- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd
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On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Roger De Salis wrote:
In these possibly humour impaired times...... it is not often one gets a giggle at competitors equipment.
Here is a picture of a recently announced IP phone from a Canadian vendor :-)
[JSR looks at jpg, then at the single length of cat-5 emerging from Cisco IP Phone on his desk, then looks back at jpg] Words fail me. JSR -- John S Russell | "What the hell is he building in there... Operations Manager | he has a router...and a table saw..." Attica/Callplus NZ | - Tom Waits, Mule Variations --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
:: [JSR looks at jpg, then at the single length of cat-5 emerging from Cisco :: IP Phone on his desk, then looks back at jpg] [Juha looks at the cable spaghetti hell in his office and thinks that phone ain't too bad really...] --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 11:56:48AM +1200, Roger De Salis wrote:
In these possibly humour impaired times...... it is not often one gets a giggle at competitors equipment.
Here is a picture of a recently announced IP phone from a Canadian vendor :-)
(Hard hat-on, iron-underpants in place, Cisco product abuse shields operational.... Warp speed Mr Sulu.......)
So, this competitor product also includes a four-port hub, and doesn't require a switch that can supply power over cat5? So you can cascade multiple phones, and you don't need to dedicate an ethernet switch port to every telephone? Next you'll be telling me it's cheaper! The morons! What were they thinking?! Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Sun, 8 Apr 2001, Joe Abley wrote:
So, this competitor product also includes a four-port hub, and doesn't require a switch that can supply power over cat5? So you can cascade multiple phones, and you don't need to dedicate an ethernet switch port to every telephone?
Oh please, the Cisco unit doesn't _require_ such a switch, either. It's optional. And you can cascade multiple IP phones, and don't need to dedicate a port to each one. :) You're reaching. :)
The morons! What were they thinking?!
They weren't thinking "Make it look sexy to your average PHB." whereas I'll wager that phrase (or concept, at least) was part of the Cisco product brief. Cisco IP phones are _pretty_. JSR -- John S Russell | "What the hell is he building in there... Operations Manager | he has a router...and a table saw..." Attica/Callplus NZ | - Tom Waits, Mule Variations --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
:: Oh please, the Cisco unit doesn't _require_ such a switch, either. It's :: optional. And you can cascade multiple IP phones, and don't need to :: dedicate a port to each one. :) You're reaching. :) For the phone? :: They weren't thinking "Make it look sexy to your average PHB." whereas :: I'll wager that phrase (or concept, at least) was part of the Cisco :: product brief. Cisco IP phones are _pretty_. Yes, but do they actually work? I mean, not just across a fast LAN, but over the Internet through e.g. ADSL routers? Ooops, this is all rather off-topic, innit? -- Juha --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Juha Saarinen wrote:
Yes, but do they actually work? I mean, not just across a fast LAN, but over the Internet through e.g. ADSL routers?
One of my staff has one at home, on the end of a 128K shaped jetstart adsl connection. I believe he was, however, making noises about adsl latency (50ms or so) and the IP Phone jitter buffer (50ms or so) not liking each other at times. But that's fixable in software, I am sure.
Ooops, this is all rather off-topic, innit?
It is, rather. JSR -- John S Russell | "What the hell is he building in there... Operations Manager | he has a router...and a table saw..." Attica/Callplus NZ | - Tom Waits, Mule Variations --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 02:38:40PM +1200, J S Russell wrote:
On Sun, 8 Apr 2001, Joe Abley wrote:
So, this competitor product also includes a four-port hub, and doesn't require a switch that can supply power over cat5? So you can cascade multiple phones, and you don't need to dedicate an ethernet switch port to every telephone?
Oh please, the Cisco unit doesn't _require_ such a switch, either. It's optional. And you can cascade multiple IP phones, and don't need to dedicate a port to each one. :) You're reaching. :)
Heh :) If you don't phantom power your IP phone, you end up with two cables between the wall and your phone. Which is the same as you need for this unnamed-Canadian-vendor's phone. I just thought it was funny. Bugger the functionality! Price is meaningless! We use fewer cables! The view from the rear of our phone is more pleasing!
The morons! What were they thinking?!
They weren't thinking "Make it look sexy to your average PHB." whereas I'll wager that phrase (or concept, at least) was part of the Cisco product brief. Cisco IP phones are _pretty_.
That's ok then! As long as they look nice! Personally, if I was going to have a phone on my desk, I'd choose the one that gave me bonus hub ports :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
The Vendor in the photo has just attached an add on option to enable the
phone to be connected to a VoIP network.
This would negate the need to forklift replace an expensive existing system
phone with another expensive system phone!
Prominent Japanese, American, German and French PABX manufacturers are doing
exactly the same thing.
Makes sense to me albiet it turns into spagetti junction, although a bit of
velcro cable management will tidy it up.
I have played with 3 of these (1 is still prototype),as I am vendor
indifferent. All of them can be cascaded (without power feed), although non
of the vendors support this.
With regard to power feed, I have heard of instances (2 in NZ) where old 3rd
party PCMCIA NIC's don't like the -48vDC and ejected the smoke. (we all know
what happens when the smoke that makes things work gets out). I seem to
remember years ago reading an article that commented on the use of unused
pairs for power feeding Laptops by providing 5v and 12v supplies, maybe this
is why.
Russ
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On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 02:38:40PM +1200, J S Russell wrote:
On Sun, 8 Apr 2001, Joe Abley wrote:
So, this competitor product also includes a four-port hub, and doesn't require a switch that can supply power over cat5? So you can cascade multiple phones, and you don't need to dedicate an ethernet switch port to every telephone?
Oh please, the Cisco unit doesn't _require_ such a switch, either. It's optional. And you can cascade multiple IP phones, and don't need to dedicate a port to each one. :) You're reaching. :)
Heh :)
If you don't phantom power your IP phone, you end up with two cables between the wall and your phone. Which is the same as you need for this unnamed-Canadian-vendor's phone.
I just thought it was funny. Bugger the functionality! Price is meaningless! We use fewer cables! The view from the rear of our phone is more pleasing!
The morons! What were they thinking?!
They weren't thinking "Make it look sexy to your average PHB." whereas I'll wager that phrase (or concept, at least) was part of the Cisco product brief. Cisco IP phones are _pretty_.
That's ok then! As long as they look nice!
Personally, if I was going to have a phone on my desk, I'd choose the one that gave me bonus hub ports :)
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I'm positivly brimming with come-backs to this but at the risk of being told to sit down and stop vendor bashing again, I'll take the fifth. Dean On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 11:56:48AM +1200, Roger De Salis wrote:
In these possibly humour impaired times...... it is not often one gets a giggle at competitors equipment.
Here is a picture of a recently announced IP phone from a Canadian vendor :-)
(Hard hat-on, iron-underpants in place, Cisco product abuse shields operational.... Warp speed Mr Sulu.......)
:-)
-- \_ Roger De Salis Cisco Systems NZ Ltd
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