Comments: We contact you concerning an advice and offer we would like to state, we would like to know if you are interested on providing some services regarding IRC networks especially to Undernet.org Details: we would like to locate a server (hardware) on your main site to be able to provide full peerings to our Server. Conditions: You will have full control of our activities, thru managing our Ports and Filtering our data transfer thru your peerings. And also we will maintain you informed of our root pass for further access of your tech members to monitor our inner activity. The benefits your site could gain from this deal are what I consider fair enough. Not only the MOTD (which is viewed daily by at least 2000 users) but also a support channel for your customers. Furthermore, please take a moment to have a look at the list containing the current Undernet sponsoring sites. This can be retrieved at http://www.undernet.org/sponsors.php . Why shouldn't you? Tech Request: we only need to have our server connected to the peerings, and a Dedicated IP with a reversed Host that could be irc.ispname.net. And we would like full approval of your NOC to allow use this IP to link to Undernet.org. Indeed Denial of Service Attacks are extremely damaging for small networks. However, I am sure that as long as we do not attract attention upon us, in the event of approval and linkage, we would be 'unspotted' by those who enterprise such actions. As such, I can guarantee you that no one from the Server Staff would perform actions that by their nature would attract Denial of Service attacks towards the server and your network. Sincerely, Félix Alcántara 1-(809)-854-9853 E-mail: speakz(a)speakz.org Speakz @IRC
Course, this guy runs "evilnet" (http://www.evilnet.org/), which has a bunch of fun articles on how they've been DDoS'd lately, and various methods of DoSing people. And I'm pretty sure he has nothing to do with Undernet. I'm sure other's can comment on that if they feel the need ;-) On 11/03/2006, at 2:31 AM, Felix Alcantara wrote:
Comments: We contact you concerning an advice and offer we would like to state, we would like to know if you are interested on providing some services regarding IRC networks especially to Undernet.org
Details: we would like to locate a server (hardware) on your main site to be able to provide full peerings to our Server.
Conditions: You will have full control of our activities, thru managing our Ports and Filtering our data transfer thru your peerings. And also we will maintain you informed of our root pass for further access of your tech members to monitor our inner activity.
The benefits your site could gain from this deal are what I consider fair enough. Not only the MOTD (which is viewed daily by at least 2000 users) but also a support channel for your customers. Furthermore, please take a moment to have a look at the list containing the current Undernet sponsoring sites. This can be retrieved at http://www.undernet.org/sponsors.php . Why shouldn't you?
Tech Request: we only need to have our server connected to the peerings, and a Dedicated IP with a reversed Host that could be irc.ispname.net. And we would like full approval of your NOC to allow use this IP to link to Undernet.org.
Indeed Denial of Service Attacks are extremely damaging for small networks. However, I am sure that as long as we do not attract attention upon us, in the event of approval and linkage, we would be 'unspotted' by those who enterprise such actions. As such, I can guarantee you that no one from the Server Staff would perform actions that by their nature would attract Denial of Service attacks towards the server and your network.
Sincerely,
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Nathan as smart you want to be, i see you dont know nothing and thes the funny thing. I dont say that im an Staff of the undernet Admins, but im sure that i can get 90% the link with the a good staff. And for you Nathan, Evilnet is my personal NEtwork for Development of new services and thats article you say is just a definition on how IRC networks get attacked and you must mentioned the others part that say for "Prevent" DDOS" not for attack with DDOS. For the next time Read carefully or take some glasses. Félix Alcántara 1-(809)-854-9853 E-mail: speakz(a)speakz.org Speakz @IRC ________________________________ De: Nathan Ward [mailto:nznog(a)daork.net] Enviado el: Vie 10/03/2006 10:43 a.m. Para: NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Asunto: Re: [nznog] Sponsor proposal ISP (Read) Course, this guy runs "evilnet" (http://www.evilnet.org/), which has a bunch of fun articles on how they've been DDoS'd lately, and various methods of DoSing people. And I'm pretty sure he has nothing to do with Undernet. I'm sure other's can comment on that if they feel the need ;-) On 11/03/2006, at 2:31 AM, Felix Alcantara wrote:
Comments: We contact you concerning an advice and offer we would like to state, we would like to know if you are interested on providing some services regarding IRC networks especially to Undernet.org
Details: we would like to locate a server (hardware) on your main site to be able to provide full peerings to our Server.
Conditions: You will have full control of our activities, thru managing our Ports and Filtering our data transfer thru your peerings. And also we will maintain you informed of our root pass for further access of your tech members to monitor our inner activity.
The benefits your site could gain from this deal are what I consider fair enough. Not only the MOTD (which is viewed daily by at least 2000 users) but also a support channel for your customers. Furthermore, please take a moment to have a look at the list containing the current Undernet sponsoring sites. This can be retrieved at http://www.undernet.org/sponsors.php . Why shouldn't you?
Tech Request: we only need to have our server connected to the peerings, and a Dedicated IP with a reversed Host that could be irc.ispname.net. And we would like full approval of your NOC to allow use this IP to link to Undernet.org.
Indeed Denial of Service Attacks are extremely damaging for small networks. However, I am sure that as long as we do not attract attention upon us, in the event of approval and linkage, we would be 'unspotted' by those who enterprise such actions. As such, I can guarantee you that no one from the Server Staff would perform actions that by their nature would attract Denial of Service attacks towards the server and your network.
Sincerely,
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, Felix Alcantara wrote:
Nathan as smart you want to be, i see you dont know nothing and thes the funny thing. I dont say that im an Staff of the undernet Admins, but im sure that i can get 90% the link with the a good staff. And for you Nathan, Evilnet is my personal NEtwork for Development of new services and thats article you say is just a definition on how IRC networks get attacked and you must mentioned the others part that say for "Prevent" DDOS" not for attack with DDOS.
For the next time Read carefully or take some glasses.
I'm sure that being sarky and rude to the same people you are appealing to makes alot of sense. I'm also sure you read the Undernet Routing-Committee website, particularly the 'Guide to Candidates': http://routing-com.undernet.org/showdoc.php?id=4 Specifically this paragraph: "Note: Any Undernet server which is discovered to have been linked because the hosting company was "spammed" or in some other way influenced to apply by a third party will be terminated and delinked. In this way the hosting company bears the responsibility for the server and understands the full implications of running a server." ... or not? I'd qualify your message to the NZNOG as being an 'influencing' factor... wouldn't you ? Mark.
Felix Alcantara wrote:
Nathan as smart you want to be, i see you dont know nothing and thes the funny thing. I dont say that im an Staff of the undernet Admins, but im sure that i can get 90% the link with the a good staff. And for you Nathan, Evilnet is my personal NEtwork for Development of new services and thats article you say is just a definition on how IRC networks get attacked and you must mentioned the others part that say for "Prevent" DDOS" not for attack with DDOS.
For the next time Read carefully or take some glasses.
And an attitude like this is supposed to what ? make people feel nicer about trying to help you run a server so they can um.. get a "channel for support" ? a) The original post trying to solicit bandwidth/resource to host an Undernet server has pretty much guaranteed that you will NEVER host an Undernet server. Ever. b) You obviously have little understanding of how the NZ Internet/Networks work c) Downplaying the effects of DDoS attacks is dangerous. FYI, the last one that his Auckland.NZ.Undernet.Org took out most of the NZ Internet - thats right, the entire country.. -- Steve.
On 10-Mar-2006, at 08:31, Felix Alcantara wrote:
Indeed Denial of Service Attacks are extremely damaging for small networks.
I had occasion to track a DoS against a nameserver yesterday, which was the first one I've looked at in some time (small attacks tend to go unnoticed in the network in question, and larger ones are generally tracked by other people). I was supremely out-of-practice, and it took a lot longer to figure out what was happening that it should have done. Depending on the size of your network (and the size of your ops team) it almost seems sensible to host a DoS magnet in your network, so that you get regular practice at identifying and mitigating the problem. An Undernet server would do quite nicely for this :-) Dealing with attack traffic as a routine exercise every other day surely beats multi-day panic and fumbling sessions every six months. Joe
Joe Abley wrote:
On 10-Mar-2006, at 08:31, Felix Alcantara wrote:
Indeed Denial of Service Attacks are extremely damaging for small networks.
Depending on the size of your network (and the size of your ops team) it almost seems sensible to host a DoS magnet in your network, so that you get regular practice at identifying and mitigating the problem. An Undernet server would do quite nicely for this :-)
I would be only too pleased to sell some swamp land to any operator who wishes to host an Undernet server in NZ. ;) - Alarmed in New Zealand.
I see that JOE has knowledge of this and the meaning of be operator and have experience for be on a big network like this one. Félix Alcántara 1-(809)-854-9853 E-mail: speakz(a)speakz.org Speakz @IRC ________________________________ De: Joe Abley [mailto:jabley(a)hopcount.ca] Enviado el: Vie 10/03/2006 10:47 a.m. Para: Felix Alcantara CC: NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Asunto: Re: [nznog] Sponsor proposal ISP (Read) On 10-Mar-2006, at 08:31, Felix Alcantara wrote:
Indeed Denial of Service Attacks are extremely damaging for small networks.
I had occasion to track a DoS against a nameserver yesterday, which was the first one I've looked at in some time (small attacks tend to go unnoticed in the network in question, and larger ones are generally tracked by other people). I was supremely out-of-practice, and it took a lot longer to figure out what was happening that it should have done. Depending on the size of your network (and the size of your ops team) it almost seems sensible to host a DoS magnet in your network, so that you get regular practice at identifying and mitigating the problem. An Undernet server would do quite nicely for this :-) Dealing with attack traffic as a routine exercise every other day surely beats multi-day panic and fumbling sessions every six months. Joe
This guy reminds me of a 12 year old Mexican version of Sahil Gupta. _____ From: Felix Alcantara [mailto:speakz(a)speakz.org] Sent: Saturday, 11 March 2006 2:32 a.m. To: NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [nznog] Sponsor proposal ISP (Read) Comments: We contact you concerning an advice and offer we would like to state, we would like to know if you are interested on providing some services regarding IRC networks especially to Undernet.org Details: we would like to locate a server (hardware) on your main site to be able to provide full peerings to our Server. Conditions: You will have full control of our activities, thru managing our Ports and Filtering our data transfer thru your peerings. And also we will maintain you informed of our root pass for further access of your tech members to monitor our inner activity. The benefits your site could gain from this deal are what I consider fair enough. Not only the MOTD (which is viewed daily by at least 2000 users) but also a support channel for your customers. Furthermore, please take a moment to have a look at the list containing the current Undernet sponsoring sites. This can be retrieved at http://www.undernet.org/sponsors.php . Why shouldn't you? Tech Request: we only need to have our server connected to the peerings, and a Dedicated IP with a reversed Host that could be irc.ispname.net. And we would like full approval of your NOC to allow use this IP to link to Undernet.org. Indeed Denial of Service Attacks are extremely damaging for small networks. However, I am sure that as long as we do not attract attention upon us, in the event of approval and linkage, we would be 'unspotted' by those who enterprise such actions. As such, I can guarantee you that no one from the Server Staff would perform actions that by their nature would attract Denial of Service attacks towards the server and your network. Sincerely, Félix Alcántara 1-(809)-854-9853 E-mail: speakz(a)speakz.org Speakz @IRC
Yea New Zealand really needs to get dos'd offline again for something as stupid as a chat network. All for some kids quest to get an O: on undernet. Felix, the new undernet server is dead, let it rest in peace. -Jon Keller Will Steele wrote:
This guy reminds me of a 12 year old Mexican version of Sahil Gupta.
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*From:* Felix Alcantara [mailto:speakz(a)speakz.org] *Sent:* Saturday, 11 March 2006 2:32 a.m. *To:* NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz *Subject:* [nznog] Sponsor proposal ISP (Read)
Comments: We contact you concerning an advice and offer we would like to state, we would like to know if you are interested on providing some services regarding IRC networks especially to Undernet.org
Details: we would like to locate a server (hardware) on your main site to be able to provide full peerings to our Server.
Conditions: You will have full control of our activities, thru managing our Ports and Filtering our data transfer thru your peerings. And also we will maintain you informed of our root pass for further access of your tech members to monitor our inner activity.
The benefits your site could gain from this deal are what I consider fair enough. Not only the MOTD (which is viewed daily by at least 2000 users) but also a support channel for your customers. Furthermore, please take a moment to have a look at the list containing the current Undernet sponsoring sites. This can be retrieved at http://www.undernet.org/sponsors.php . Why shouldn't you?
Tech Request: we only need to have our server connected to the peerings, and a Dedicated IP with a reversed Host that could be irc.ispname.net. And we would like full approval of your NOC to allow use this IP to link to Undernet.org.
Indeed Denial of Service Attacks are extremely damaging for small networks. However, I am sure that as long as we do not attract attention upon us, in the event of approval and linkage, we would be 'unspotted' by those who enterprise such actions. As such, I can guarantee you that no one from the Server Staff would perform actions that by their nature would attract Denial of Service attacks towards the server and your network.
Sincerely,
Félix Alcántara 1-(809)-854-9853 E-mail: speakz(a)speakz.org Speakz @IRC ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Felix Alcantara wrote:
Comments: We contact you concerning an advice and offer we would like to state, we would like to know if you are interested on providing some services regarding IRC networks especially to Undernet.org After having a few years experience hosting nz.undernet.org , hell would freeze over before I would let another on on my network. One or two DOS attacks a week would blow the whole ISP out of the water and often the upstream as well. IMHO NZ does not have the capacity to host such a target. I actually put it in the T&C of any customers that hosting IRC servers is not allowed. Hey me "venomous" I know you are listening, you are largely responsible for the death of the last server.
Excuse me wtf? How bout you get a fucking clue first before you start attacking people with out having any evidence, talk bout defamation. Wow some one attacked a server in new Zealand IT MUST BE VENOMOUS !!@#@!#!zOmG!!!!!!! /me labels you addervark. Crawl out of your clueless hole would you. -----Original Message----- From: Tony Wicks [mailto:tony(a)prophecy.net.nz] Sent: Saturday, 11 March 2006 8:18 a.m. To: NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] Sponsor proposal ISP (Read) Felix Alcantara wrote:
Comments: We contact you concerning an advice and offer we would like to state, we would like to know if you are interested on providing some services regarding IRC networks especially to Undernet.org After having a few years experience hosting nz.undernet.org , hell would freeze over before I would let another on on my network. One or two DOS attacks a week would blow the whole ISP out of the water and often the upstream as well. IMHO NZ does not have the capacity to host such a target. I actually put it in the T&C of any customers that hosting IRC servers is not allowed. Hey me "venomous" I know you are listening, you are largely responsible for the death of the last server.
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"Crawl out of your clueless hole would you." I second that. -----Original Message----- From: VeNoMouS [mailto:venom(a)gen-x.co.nz] Sent: Saturday, 11 March 2006 12:26 p.m. To: tony(a)prophecy.net.nz; NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] Sponsor proposal ISP (Read) Excuse me wtf? How bout you get a fucking clue first before you start attacking people with out having any evidence, talk bout defamation. Wow some one attacked a server in new Zealand IT MUST BE VENOMOUS !!@#@!#!zOmG!!!!!!! /me labels you addervark. Crawl out of your clueless hole would you. -----Original Message----- From: Tony Wicks [mailto:tony(a)prophecy.net.nz] Sent: Saturday, 11 March 2006 8:18 a.m. To: NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] Sponsor proposal ISP (Read) Felix Alcantara wrote:
Comments: We contact you concerning an advice and offer we would like to state, we would like to know if you are interested on providing some services regarding IRC networks especially to Undernet.org After having a few years experience hosting nz.undernet.org , hell would freeze over before I would let another on on my network. One or two DOS attacks a week would blow the whole ISP out of the water and often the upstream as well. IMHO NZ does not have the capacity to host such a target. I actually put it in the T&C of any customers that hosting IRC servers is not allowed. Hey me "venomous" I know you are listening, you are largely responsible for the death of the last server.
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Excuse me wtf? How bout you get a fucking clue first before you start attacking people with out having any evidence, talk bout defamation.
Wow some one attacked a server in new Zealand IT MUST BE VENOMOUS !!@#@!#!zOmG!!!!!!!
/me labels you addervark.
Crawl out of your clueless hole would you.
Every couple of months I think "Hrmm, maybe I should get back into that networking lark. It was kind of fun". It's funny, because this thought floated across my synapses yesterday while I was sitting working on a particularly tedious piece of code at work. I'd like to thank you venemous for reminding me why the life of an R&D programmer is so much more enjoyable than network engineering: I don't have to deal with tossers like you on a daily basis. So, yeah. Thanks. Oh, and beer. --- James Tyson I don't eat humble pie - it's not vegan. http://helicopter.geek.nz/
Its great how people will use any excuse to brag about their title. Its okay though, when I'm in doubt I blame venomous as well.. Speaking of tossers, are you the same james tyson that used to work at ihug and send his cock pictures around to all the staff? I'd like to thank YOU Felix, for making all the tards come out and play today, its been most entertaining. -Jon James Tyson wrote:
Excuse me wtf? How bout you get a fucking clue first before you start attacking people with out having any evidence, talk bout defamation.
Wow some one attacked a server in new Zealand IT MUST BE VENOMOUS !!@#@!#!zOmG!!!!!!!
/me labels you addervark.
Crawl out of your clueless hole would you.
Every couple of months I think "Hrmm, maybe I should get back into that networking lark. It was kind of fun". It's funny, because this thought floated across my synapses yesterday while I was sitting working on a particularly tedious piece of code at work.
I'd like to thank you venemous for reminding me why the life of an R&D programmer is so much more enjoyable than network engineering: I don't have to deal with tossers like you on a daily basis.
So, yeah. Thanks. Oh, and beer.
--- James Tyson I don't eat humble pie - it's not vegan. http://helicopter.geek.nz/
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Enough already with the personal attacks, people, we're supposed to be adults here. Take it private, if you must continue. (your friendly occasional list admin) Cheers Si
We stopped over 8 hours ago, but you are right. I think all the talk of irc gets people wound up. Apologies. -Jon Simon Blake wrote:
Enough already with the personal attacks, people, we're supposed to be adults here. Take it private, if you must continue.
(your friendly occasional list admin)
Cheers Si
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VeNoMouS -
Will Steele