Does anybody happen to remember when peering between ISPs in Wellington using network 10 addresses started happening? I remember Craig Anderson circulating a draft document reserving chunks of 10/8 for people, and some talk about static ARP, but I don't remember when it was. The current address block used on the WIX (202.7.0.0/23) was pulled out of Rex Croft's magic bag of spare addresses in July 1998, according to the list archives, so it was before then. If I was to document a start date for the WIX (e.g. "first BGP session between ISPs was set up", or maybe "first packet was exchanged between citylink/CNHL customers", or something) what would it be? Joe
On 6 Jan 2005, at 12:47, Joe Abley wrote:
Does anybody happen to remember when peering between ISPs in Wellington using network 10 addresses started happening?
For the benefit of those who are observing from afar (in real-time or from the archives), note that network 10 addresses have not been used for peering between ISPs, as far as I know, since mid-1998. This was a history question, not a current-practices question. People can stop mailing me about the wisdom of using RFC1918 addresses on exchange points. I know. You don't have to convince me. Honestly, I know. Joe
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 12:47:02PM -0500, Joe Abley said:
Does anybody happen to remember when peering between ISPs in Wellington using network 10 addresses started happening?
I'm not sure it ever did start happening. Netlink (or was it Actrix?) had a chunk of public number space that they used as a proto exchange over Citylink, it was certainly used to peer Netlink to Actrix, and may have had other ISP's on it as well. This was prior to the allocation by RexNIC.
I remember Craig Anderson circulating a draft document reserving chunks of 10/8 for people, and some talk about static ARP, but I don't remember when it was.
There was a meeting at WCC with a bunch of ISP's attending that spawned that draft, I'm thinking May 1998 - certainly before we physically moved out of WCC, which was Nov 1998. There was a subsequent consensus that doing peering with private numbers wasn't a great plan, which is when we went to Rex.
The current address block used on the WIX (202.7.0.0/23) was pulled out of Rex Croft's magic bag of spare addresses in July 1998, according to the list archives, so it was before then.
As far as I recall, only Clear (as they were then, independant of Telstra) used the 10.96 allocations in anger. This may be a timely point to note, for those that are students of these things, that the WIX block is no longer "owned" by Dunedin City Council: simon(a)zoff:~$ whois 202.7.0.0 % [whois.apnic.net node-1] % Whois data copyright terms http://www.apnic.net/db/dbcopyright.html inetnum: 202.7.0.0 - 202.7.1.255 netname: CITYLINK descr: Citylink descr: PO Box 9328 descr: Wellington country: NZ admin-c: CRA1-AP tech-c: CRA1-AP mnt-routes: MAINT-NZ-CITYLINK mnt-by: APNIC-HM status: ASSIGNED PORTABLE Moves are afoot to normalise the APE block as well, that should be done in the next month or so.
If I was to document a start date for the WIX (e.g. "first BGP session between ISPs was set up", or maybe "first packet was exchanged between citylink/CNHL customers", or something) what would it be?
Andy and Sid may be able to better express an opinion as to the Netlink-Actrix peering, Rex Lovelock would be the man who set up the original ClearNet link - I'll CC him in, he may recall when they added those numbers to the Clear router on Citylink (which was connected in Jan 1998, according to our records). Cheers Si
At 11:43 AM 1/7/2005 +1300, Simon Blake wrote: <mega snip>
Andy and Sid may be able to better express an opinion as to the Netlink-Actrix peering, Rex Lovelock would be the man who set up the original ClearNet link - I'll CC him in, he may recall when they added those numbers to the Clear router on Citylink (which was connected in Jan 1998, according to our records).
Last time I looked the router was still there, hanging on a CLEAR PRA/PRI/whatever. Periodically they ring me and tell me its down. I don't know why. Its config may have dates that give a more detailed answer. May 98 sounds about right. It was a lunatic time. I had just left WCC, DOS was going under and we were cabling buildings at the rate of 2-3 a week. rich
On 6 Jan 2005, at 19:35, Richard Naylor wrote:
At 11:43 AM 1/7/2005 +1300, Simon Blake wrote:
Andy and Sid may be able to better express an opinion as to the Netlink-Actrix peering, Rex Lovelock would be the man who set up the original ClearNet link - I'll CC him in, he may recall when they added those numbers to the Clear router on Citylink (which was connected in Jan 1998, according to our records).
Last time I looked the router was still there, hanging on a CLEAR PRA/PRI/whatever.
That's hilarious :-) Joe
On 6 Jan 2005, at 17:43, Simon Blake wrote:
The current address block used on the WIX (202.7.0.0/23) was pulled out of Rex Croft's magic bag of spare addresses in July 1998, according to the list archives, so it was before then.
As far as I recall, only Clear (as they were then, independant of Telstra) used the 10.96 allocations in anger.
Ah ha, good. I was nominally in charge of the IP network at that time, but things in Wellington had a habit of going their own way without the annoying Auckland people being encumbered with the fiddly details. Now that you mention it, I have vague nightmare-flavoured memories of a cisco 1600 with a frame drop colocated at some customer site next to a length of citylink cable, with static routes to network 10 addresses. I also vaguely recall migrating customers off that nightmare router onto the 7507s after we installed them in Lambton Quay. [Oh, I think I still owe Dean Pemberton a beer for loaning us a power cable during that install that we never gave back.] The nightmare 1600 frame router was never used for peering, though. That was all customer access.
This may be a timely point to note, for those that are students of these things, that the WIX block is no longer "owned" by Dunedin City Council:
Yaay for that. Nicely done. Joe
On Fri, 2005-01-07 at 14:46, Joe Abley wrote:
This may be a timely point to note, for those that are students of these things, that the WIX block is no longer "owned" by Dunedin City Council:
Yaay for that. Nicely done.
Indeed. We tried several times to get APNIC's records straightened out
since we quit 202.7.0.0/23 at Waikato Uni's request in 1995. A concerted
effort by Andy Linton saw the mess finally sorted out. Thanks Andy.
Denis Gordon
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