Re: [nznog] um, whats wrong with whois?
Hi Andy, I posed the same question to NZRS the other day and they have confirmed that 'working as intended' means the WhoIs service is operating normally. The issue with the 404 error is due to limiting restrictions enforced by the Registry on received WhoIs requests and the effect it is having on Domainz, means they are exceeding these restrictions in a particular timeframe. Again, it's worth pointing out that this is the Public WhoIs Interface and anyone using it is subject to the same restrictions. NZRS - please feel free to shoot me down if this is the wrong interpretation .... Tim -----Original Message----- From: Andy Linton [mailto:asjl(a)citylink.co.nz] Sent: Friday, 21 October 2005 11:55 a.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] um, whats wrong with whois? David Zanetti wrote:
On Thu, 2005-10-20 at 11:53 +1300, Simon Byrnand wrote:
I'm getting the same 440 error doing lookups through the Domainz website.... surely they count as a registrar ? Very annoying...
Working as intended.
Would it be possible from someone at NZRS to clarify what "Working as intended" means? Thanks, andy _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog
In response to the question raised by Andy. The quote "Working as intended" in this instance means that the .nz whois service is available for legitimate public access enquiries. As noted in an earlier post and again by Tim, when the whois service is underload , requests may be restricted or dropped and under extreme situations the service may be closed down (this would be outside of working as intended). The whois service will continue to operate and queries can be undertaken via the DNC website www.dnc.org.nz or one of the .nz authorised registrars (full list available on the DNC website). What appears to have added to the confusion is that Domainz operate 2 whois services on their website, one public and the other as part of their domain registration process. The public service was restricted for periods yesterday and this occurs from time to time. Cheers Nick Nick Griffin General Manager .nz Registry Services PO Box 24361 Wellington New Zealand e nick.griffin(a)nzrs.net.nz m 64 21 505 229 p 64 4 931 6977 f 64 4 931 6979 w www.nzrs.net.nz CAUTION : This Email message and accompanying data may contain information that is confidential and subject to privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or data is prohibited. If you have received this Email in error, please notify me immediately and delete all material pertaining to this Email. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: Tim John [mailto:tim.john(a)domainz.net.nz] Sent: Friday, 21 October 2005 12:24 p.m. To: 'nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz' Subject: Re: [nznog] um, whats wrong with whois? Hi Andy, I posed the same question to NZRS the other day and they have confirmed that 'working as intended' means the WhoIs service is operating normally. The issue with the 404 error is due to limiting restrictions enforced by the Registry on received WhoIs requests and the effect it is having on Domainz, means they are exceeding these restrictions in a particular timeframe. Again, it's worth pointing out that this is the Public WhoIs Interface and anyone using it is subject to the same restrictions. NZRS - please feel free to shoot me down if this is the wrong interpretation .... Tim -----Original Message----- From: Andy Linton [mailto:asjl(a)citylink.co.nz] Sent: Friday, 21 October 2005 11:55 a.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] um, whats wrong with whois? David Zanetti wrote:
On Thu, 2005-10-20 at 11:53 +1300, Simon Byrnand wrote:
I'm getting the same 440 error doing lookups through the Domainz website.... surely they count as a registrar ? Very annoying...
Working as intended.
Would it be possible from someone at NZRS to clarify what "Working as intended" means? Thanks, andy _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog
nick wrote:
In response to the question raised by Andy.
The quote "Working as intended" in this instance means that the .nz whois service is available for legitimate public access enquiries. As noted in an earlier post and again by Tim, when the whois service is underload , requests may be restricted or dropped and under extreme situations the service may be closed down (this would be outside of working as intended).
Is there a document which describes what is meant by underload? It would be useful for those in the NZNOG community to understand the parameters of this service so they can set their expectations.
The whois service will continue to operate and queries can be undertaken via the DNC website www.dnc.org.nz or one of the .nz authorised registrars (full list available on the DNC website).
Why are queries from the general public seen as some kind of second class query with registrars getting preference?
What appears to have added to the confusion is that Domainz operate 2 whois services on their website, one public and the other as part of their domain registration process. The public service was restricted for periods yesterday and this occurs from time to time.
From the above it seems that that if the load increases above some threshold
So what happens in this restricted access mode to old fashioned industry standard whois on port 43 i.e the actual whois service as defined in RFC3912 (ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc3912.txt)? Some of us luddites are still not committed 100% to doing everything via the web. Does this service become unavailable in the "restricted state"? The APNIC and RIPE servers curtail access based on the offending IP address. then all public access is closed off until the load drops.
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, Andy Linton wrote:
nick wrote:
In response to the question raised by Andy.
The quote "Working as intended" in this instance means that the .nz whois service is available for legitimate public access enquiries. As noted in an earlier post and again by Tim, when the whois service is underload , requests may be restricted or dropped and under extreme situations the service may be closed down (this would be outside of working as intended).
Is there a document which describes what is meant by underload? It would be useful for those in the NZNOG community to understand the parameters of this service so they can set their expectations. It doesn't make sense that service is restricted when it is underload rather than overloaded?
I assume they (NZRS) have put in some restrictions to the use of whois to stop the unsavoury types from mining the whois for information. This unfortunately has the effect of stopping or hampering the legit use of whois, especially for those who are not registrars. I know I have in the past found it very useful to do whois on a list of domains. It would be tedious if I did this via web interface or is restricted from basic command line interface. I do recognise that if I can do it when others can harvest it for not legit reasons. However there has to be a way where legit users are not penalised for actions of non legit users. regards lin
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