Change to Telecom's email service
We have had enquiries from several of our customers in the last couple of days regarding an email they have received from Telecom. It relates to a change in Telecom's email service that I find interesting. These customers use Telecom as their ISP, and have a mailbox on Telecom's Yahoo/Xtra service but they use their own domain when sending messages, we are their MX host and we redirect their mail to their xtra.co.nz address. Apparently from the end of September Telecom are going to prevent their customers from using their SMTP servers unless the From address on outbound email is an Xtra one (or I presume a domain that they manage). Up until now, we have always instructed customers to use the SMTP servers belonging to their ISP (i.e. the ISP providing their Internet service), that advice now goes out the window and we are going to have to work with Telecom's customers to help them setup authenticated SMTP to our servers. I am not impressed that Telecom are effectively going to break their email service (for their own customers) and are relying on others (e.g. us) to fix their customers email for them, when in my opinion, the customers email isn't currently broken. Glen.
Google silently rewrite the From: line if it's not something that's authorised. I wonder if Telecom will take this approach, or if they'll reject the email altogether. I'm not sure what method would make less help-desk noise or reputation impact. Either way, it's good that they're telling their customers before making the change, and giving sufficient notice for them to change suppliers if they so choose. On 15/07/14 16:42, Glen Eustace wrote:
We have had enquiries from several of our customers in the last couple of days regarding an email they have received from Telecom. It relates to a change in Telecom's email service that I find interesting.
These customers use Telecom as their ISP, and have a mailbox on Telecom's Yahoo/Xtra service but they use their own domain when sending messages, we are their MX host and we redirect their mail to their xtra.co.nz address. Apparently from the end of September Telecom are going to prevent their customers from using their SMTP servers unless the From address on outbound email is an Xtra one (or I presume a domain that they manage).
Up until now, we have always instructed customers to use the SMTP servers belonging to their ISP (i.e. the ISP providing their Internet service), that advice now goes out the window and we are going to have to work with Telecom's customers to help them setup authenticated SMTP to our servers.
I am not impressed that Telecom are effectively going to break their email service (for their own customers) and are relying on others (e.g. us) to fix their customers email for them, when in my opinion, the customers email isn't currently broken.
Glen.
-- Dan Wallis - Systems Administrator, http://e2digital.co.nz/
On 15/07/2014 16:47, Dan Wallis - E2 Digital wrote:
Google silently rewrite the From: line if it's not something that's authorised. I wonder if Telecom will take this approach, or if they'll reject the email altogether. I'm not sure what method would make less help-desk noise or reputation impact.
Either way, it's good that they're telling their customers before making the change, and giving sufficient notice for them to change suppliers if they so choose.
As long as they're not also planning to use DMARC with a reject policy, which has catastrophic side effects for users who are on mailing lists (i.e. they will end up being kicked off such lists due to the resulting backscatter). Yahoo has made this blunder, but not gmail, fortunately. Brian
On 15/07/14 16:42, Glen Eustace wrote:
We have had enquiries from several of our customers in the last couple of days regarding an email they have received from Telecom. It relates to a change in Telecom's email service that I find interesting.
These customers use Telecom as their ISP, and have a mailbox on Telecom's Yahoo/Xtra service but they use their own domain when sending messages, we are their MX host and we redirect their mail to their xtra.co.nz address. Apparently from the end of September Telecom are going to prevent their customers from using their SMTP servers unless the From address on outbound email is an Xtra one (or I presume a domain that they manage).
Up until now, we have always instructed customers to use the SMTP servers belonging to their ISP (i.e. the ISP providing their Internet service), that advice now goes out the window and we are going to have to work with Telecom's customers to help them setup authenticated SMTP to our servers.
I am not impressed that Telecom are effectively going to break their email service (for their own customers) and are relying on others (e.g. us) to fix their customers email for them, when in my opinion, the customers email isn't currently broken.
Glen.
At 04:42 p.m. 15/07/2014, you wrote:
We have had enquiries from several of our customers in the last couple of days regarding an email they have received from Telecom. It relates to a change in Telecom's email service that I find interesting.
These customers use Telecom as their ISP, and have a mailbox on Telecom's Yahoo/Xtra service but they use their own domain when sending messages, we are their MX host and we redirect their mail to their xtra.co.nz address. Apparently from the end of September Telecom are going to prevent their customers from using their SMTP servers unless the From address on outbound email is an Xtra one (or I presume a domain that they manage).
Their web site mentions that smtp.xtra.co.nz is going away, being replaced by send.xtra.co.nz http://www.telecom.co.nz/help/internet/smtpupdate.html It doesn't mention the other bit about the From line. I regularly change smtp servers as I move around networks.
Here is the relevant parts of the email. NB: The customer uses their xtra mailbox and POPs from it. But they have their From: set to the address below. OPTION 1: Keep using admin(a)customers-domain.co.nz. Your easiest option is send email directly through your email provider's server. You'll need their 'outgoing mail' settings for POP email to make the necessary update. Please contact them directly to find out what updates to make to you OPTION 2: Use your FREE xtra.co.nz email address. All Telecom broadband customers have a FREE xtra.co.nz email address. You can sign up or activate yours now at telecom.co.nz/email Please update your settings before 30 September. It’s really important to make these changes as soon as possible. While you can still update your settings once we’ve made our changes, after 30 September you won’t be able to send any email until you update your settings.
On 15/07/2014, at 17:43, Glen Eustace
wrote: Here is the relevant parts of the email. NB: The customer uses their xtra mailbox and POPs from it. But they have their From: set to the address below.
OPTION 1: Keep using admin(a)customers-domain.co.nz.
[...]
Doesn't send.xtra.co.nz require authentication while smtp.xtra.co.nz doesn't (but the connection must come from an Xtra subscriber)? Or something like that. If you get your free Xtra email addy and use that to auth to send.xtra.co.nz I wouldn't have thought it would matter what the From email address is. Sent from my iPad
You need to register the "from:" address in the yahoo xtra webmail interface (you may register up to 10 I think) and then authenticate to the smtp server using your @xtra address and password. We don't advertise the fact we offer an smtp server for customers to use - I try to get them to use their email provider's address. So vodafone will need to prepare for a bunch of @paradise and @clear users who are on telecom as Telstra clear historically did not provide an external smtp service (or so their support desk would tell me) but the vodafone buyout may have changed this policy. And those who use a domain where their web developer does not know the email settings of their wholesale hosting provider and has historically just been using the ISP email server will also have problems. Ray Taylor Taylor Communications ray(a)ruralkiwi.com Ph 021-483-280 Network status 06-929-9082 -----Original Message----- From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Dave Green Sent: Tuesday, 15 July 2014 6:32 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] Change to Telecom's email service
On 15/07/2014, at 17:43, Glen Eustace
wrote: Here is the relevant parts of the email. NB: The customer uses their xtra mailbox and POPs from it. But they have their From: set to the address below.
OPTION 1: Keep using admin(a)customers-domain.co.nz.
[...]
Doesn't send.xtra.co.nz require authentication while smtp.xtra.co.nz doesn't (but the connection must come from an Xtra subscriber)? Or something like that. If you get your free Xtra email addy and use that to auth to send.xtra.co.nz I wouldn't have thought it would matter what the From email address is. Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog
That is correct, send requires authentication. A bit of a pain for Xerox copiers that don't support authentication correctly. Also, Telecom block outbound port 25, unless you opt out, and can only opt out on a connection with a static IP. -----Original Message----- From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Dave Green Sent: Tuesday, 15 July 2014 6:32 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] Change to Telecom's email service
On 15/07/2014, at 17:43, Glen Eustace
wrote: Here is the relevant parts of the email. NB: The customer uses their xtra mailbox and POPs from it. But they have their From: set to the address below.
OPTION 1: Keep using admin(a)customers-domain.co.nz.
[...]
Doesn't send.xtra.co.nz require authentication while smtp.xtra.co.nz doesn't (but the connection must come from an Xtra subscriber)? Or something like that. If you get your free Xtra email addy and use that to auth to send.xtra.co.nz I wouldn't have thought it would matter what the From email address is. Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog
If port 25 is blocked, try port 587 instead. SMTP servers using sendmail support this, and I expect other mail servers will too. On 15/07/14 21:08, David Mitchell wrote:
That is correct, send requires authentication. A bit of a pain for Xerox copiers that don't support authentication correctly.
Also, Telecom block outbound port 25, unless you opt out, and can only opt out on a connection with a static IP.
-----Original Message----- From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Dave Green Sent: Tuesday, 15 July 2014 6:32 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] Change to Telecom's email service
On 15/07/2014, at 17:43, Glen Eustace
wrote: Here is the relevant parts of the email. NB: The customer uses their xtra mailbox and POPs from it. But they have their From: set to the address below.
OPTION 1: Keep using admin(a)customers-domain.co.nz. [...] Doesn't send.xtra.co.nz require authentication while smtp.xtra.co.nz doesn't (but the connection must come from an Xtra subscriber)? Or something like that.
If you get your free Xtra email addy and use that to auth to send.xtra.co.nz I wouldn't have thought it would matter what the From email address is.
Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog
participants (9)
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Brian E Carpenter
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Dan Wallis - E2 Digital
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Dave Green
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David Mitchell
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Glen Eustace
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John Rumsey
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Ray Taylor
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Richard Naylor
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Tony Wicks