web page with APE stuff on it
I thought it might be good to have some info about APE on a web page somewhere. So I threw this together: http://www.patho.gen.nz/ape/ It almost certainly contains at least _some_ lies; please let me know what they are (or, if you don't care, I'll just carry on spreading them :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
At 03:21 am 30/10/99 +1300, you wrote:
I thought it might be good to have some info about APE on a web page somewhere. So I threw this together:
It almost certainly contains at least _some_ lies; please let me know what they are (or, if you don't care, I'll just carry on spreading them :)
Thanks Joe, but there are a few changes I'd like and will list here so that others can note them. The switch is a Cisco with generous support from Cisco NZ. The old Ciscos will be returning to Wgtn soon. <applause> <Roger takes a bow> CityLink is no longer charging ISPs for access to APE as a part of our contribution to efficient Internetworking. ie ITS FREE. This includes use of the route server. It is presumed that an ISP already has an AS number. Corporates without AS numbers will face a small charge to join the exchange as a "filtering mechanism" to ensure that the routes advertised through the server have been checked, sanitised or whatever. We are operating a similar policy in Wellington with WIX. In addition, Wgtn corporate PLUS customers can join WIX for free until Christmas. I did a simple scan of WIX today (not the server tho) and there are 30 hosts on WIX. I think there are about 10 ISPs (another 2 waiting on IP numbers from me) and the rest are large corporates. (Note WIX and CityLink's IP products are related but not the same. There are some 150 to 200 IP customers who may or maybe not using WIX, spread over about 30 switches. It has been reported that someone has broken into the APE cabinet on L48 and using our UPS. I'm pretty annoyed at that. There is a key in AKL and the 24 hr phone number is on both cabinet doors. JDA/SkyTower weren't impressed either and have complained to CityLink. Considering there are only 2 APE users, for someone to break into the cabinet says something about network operators in Auckland. We (CityLInk) have gone to considerable expense to set up the APE gear and are effectively doing it for free. Someone obviously thought that was too expensive and prefers to steal power and switch ports. </rant> sorry - living with teenagers has side effects...... rich richard.naylor(a)citylink.co.nz This mail message contains information that is confidential and which may be subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, distribute or copy this message. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and erase this mail. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Sun, Oct 31, 1999 at 09:46:37PM -1200, Richard Naylor wrote:
CityLink is no longer charging ISPs for access to APE as a part of our contribution to efficient Internetworking. ie ITS FREE. This includes use of the route server. It is presumed that an ISP already has an AS number.
This is excellent. Many thanks (to CNHL and to cisco).
Corporates without AS numbers will face a small charge to join the exchange as a "filtering mechanism" to ensure that the routes advertised through the server have been checked, sanitised or whatever.
There's another effective filtering mechanism, which is that Sky City's minimum charge for colo is around $4000, plus installation fees and legal costs incurred by Sky City in preparing the tenancy contracts. Any corporate operator prepared to go to these lengths to make their content available is probably worth peering with :) Would it be agreeable to make the policy: you _must_ operate using BGP, and using a globally-unique ASN, before you are permitted to attach to the exchange? ASNs do not cost anything to obtain if you're a member of APNIC (and if a corporate customer wasn't a member of APNIC, their ISP almost certainly would be, and could apply for an ASN on their behalf).
It has been reported that someone has broken into the APE cabinet on L48 and using our UPS. I'm pretty annoyed at that. There is a key in AKL and the 24 hr phone number is on both cabinet doors. JDA/SkyTower weren't impressed either and have complained to CityLink.
Mmm. I would have thought you guys should have been complaining to JDA, rather than the other way round? Since CNHL are in Wellington, it makes sense for Auckland operators who maintain a presence in the Sky Tower to keep an eye on Richard's cabinet and report problems to Sky City security as soon as they are spotted. It's in everybody's interests to keep the exchange cabinet safe. Maybe we should all chip in and buy a webcam. Virtual Stake-Out :) Joe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
At 11:45 pm 31/10/99 +1300, Joe Abley wrote:
On Sun, Oct 31, 1999 at 09:46:37PM -1200, Richard Naylor wrote:
CityLink is no longer charging ISPs for access to APE as a part of our contribution to efficient Internetworking. ie ITS FREE. This includes use of the route server. It is presumed that an ISP already has an AS number.
This is excellent. Many thanks (to CNHL and to cisco).
For the trivia collection - CNHL ceased to exist at 3pm on Friday 29 Oct 1999. It merged with CityLink Ltd to become CityLink Ltd. Apart from clearing up much confusion in peoples minds, the merger solved a financial dilema internally. The shareholding has changed a little and certain restrictions in shareholding and operations have hopefully been removed.
There's another effective filtering mechanism, which is that Sky City's minimum charge for colo is around $4000, plus installation fees and legal costs incurred by Sky City in preparing the tenancy contracts. Any corporate operator prepared to go to these lengths to make their content available is probably worth peering with :)
exactly.
Would it be agreeable to make the policy: you _must_ operate using BGP, and using a globally-unique ASN, before you are permitted to attach to the exchange?
No - we are happy to have corporates sit behind our ASN and not have to go to APNIC or use their ISP. It just makes our work easier if we look after it. When they sign on we help with the router setup and don't get surprised when they pop up (and down :) on the route server. The policy in Wgtn is that they must be Corporate PLUS user which applies a $ filter.
ASNs do not cost anything to obtain if you're a member of APNIC (and if a corporate customer wasn't a member of APNIC, their ISP almost certainly would be, and could apply for an ASN on their behalf).
see above
It has been reported that someone has broken into the APE cabinet on L48 and using our UPS. I'm pretty annoyed at that. There is a key in AKL and the 24 hr phone number is on both cabinet doors. JDA/SkyTower weren't impressed either and have complained to CityLink.
Mmm. I would have thought you guys should have been complaining to JDA, rather than the other way round?
Since CNHL are in Wellington, it makes sense for Auckland operators who maintain a presence in the Sky Tower to keep an eye on Richard's cabinet and report problems to Sky City security as soon as they are spotted. It's in everybody's interests to keep the exchange cabinet safe.
Maybe we should all chip in and buy a webcam. Virtual Stake-Out :)
with the soon to be enacted switch swap, alarms and monitoring will be fitted and with my interest in webcams I guess I could fit a couple (LIVE from SkyTower, stunning views of hackers in action plus backdrops of Auckland clouds.....) good thing cams don't have commentaries..... rich richard.naylor(a)citylink.co.nz This mail message contains information that is confidential and which may be subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, distribute or copy this message. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and erase this mail. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
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