On Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:10:57 +1200 (NZST), Simon Lyall wrote:

Please make sure you warn your accounts people about this guy. This is at least his 4th ISP. I have the name of the police contact for this person somewhere if people want to contact me directly. I'll hunt out my old files on this guy tomorrow.

I also had someone contact me asking what can be done about this guy. The headers of the e-mail they received are below. As one can see he seems to have sent this one through a Brazilian ISP which may not be too responsive to spam complaints from NZers. Simon alluded to a police contact on this guy - is this related to spamming or other activities? The reason I am asking is the issue of how to stop him if the Brazilian ISP is unco-operative. His e-mail database is almost certainly a breach of the Privacy Act. However a complaint can take 12 - 18 months to resolve. Do people feel there would be merit in having a formal complaint filed just so one can get "case law" on the books?? Another issue is whether we should lobby Parliament for specific statute law banning spam? Up until now I have not thought it is necessary as every ISP I know of in NZ (possible exception of world-net?) bans spammers, but if NZers have easy access to overseas ISPs then maybe it is worthwhile? Opinions welcome. DPF Received: from mail.iconz.co.nz (mail.iconz.co.nz [210.48.22.36]) by iprolink.co.nz (2.54.1/2.54.1) with ESMTP id EAA102840 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 04:45:42 +1200 From: seebelow(a)belowtext.com Received: from maxsvr.silvianet.com.br (maxsvr.silvianet.com.br [200.245.118.2]) by mail.iconz.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AA014900962729121; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 04:45:21 +1200 (NZST) Received: from 200.245.118.2 by maxsvr.silvianet.com.br 8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id NAA10802; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 13:19:35 -0300 (EST) Message-Id: <200007041619.NAA10802(a)maxsvr.silvianet.com.br> Subject: ' Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 04:31:47 +1200 X-Sender: seebelow(a)belowtext.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Apparently-To: X-Envelope-To: Status: ________________________________________________________________________ <david at farrar dot com> NZ Usenet FAQs - http://www.dpf.ac.nz/usenet/nz ICQ 29964527 --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog

Well his father did not seem to impressed when I called him yesterday. -----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Simon Lyall Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 11:11 PM To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Cc: abuse(a)compass.net.nz Subject: Spammer - Vertuacom (back again) Please make sure you warn your accounts people about this guy. This is at least his 4th ISP. I have the name of the police contact for this person somewhere if people want to contact me directly. I'll hunt out my old files on this guy tomorrow. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz System/Network Admin. | | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz Ihug Limited, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz Return-Path: Delivered-To: Received: (qmail 1718 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2000 18:27:12 -0000 Received: from mx1-1.ihug.co.nz (HELO mx1.ihug.co.nz) (203.29.168.196) by kate.ihug.co.nz with SMTP; 4 Jul 2000 18:27:12 -0000 Received: from mq1tmp.compass.net.nz [203.97.100.70] by mx1.ihug.co.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 139XPc-0006xL-00; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 06:27:12 +1200 Received: from 210.249.108.18 (IP203-97-103-17.compass.net.nz [203.97.103.17]) by mq1tmp.compass.net.nz (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA15871; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 06:28:37 +1200 From: seebelow(a)belowtext.com Message-Id: <200007041828.GAA15871(a)mq1tmp.compass.net.nz> To: Subject: , Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 06:26:58 +1200 X-Sender: seebelow(a)belowtext.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Quotation of the day: "Why not go out on a limb? Isn't that where the fruit is?" -- Frank Scully July 5 2000 Vertuacom New Zealand E-mail vertua(a)post.com PO Box 1724 Paraparumu Beach Ph 04 298 3452 Fax 04 298 3452 Good morning, We supply the most effective marketing tool available today for use in any type of business; this is bulk electronic direct mail. Never before has any company or organization been able to communicate so fast and accurately to any given group of people. Electronic mail is the method of communication of the future that is here now. Our latest technology lets us send 000's of pieces of mail to a targeted audience in seconds. Targeted Direct Email is the most powerful and least expensive method of both online and off-line advertising available. It works, to give your company massive instant exposure thus producing a fast response (sales). Vertuacom has become known as the leader in website and product promotion. 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Keep in mind that in the examples listed below we will be conservative. Most businesses test and start their campaigns at no less than 5000 advertisements. 1000 Piece Direct Mail Campaign: A 1000 piece direct mailing will cost approximately $640. - Postage: $320 - Mailing List: $80 - Envelopes: $40 - Printing: $100 - Envelope Stuffing: $100 Total Costs: $640 The negative aspects of this is: 1. The cost 2.The-turnaround time involved can take weeks. Printing, putting in envelopes and delivery is not an immediate process. 1000 Piece Fax Broadcasting Campaign: An average cost of what company's charge for this service is. - Total Cost: $300 Wasting paper can anger people. 1000 Piece E-mail Campaign: Approximately $170 (average figure) Your turnaround time varies because people read their email at different hours of the day. But the industry standard is form a few hours to 2 days. This is why many Corporations and businesses are turning to Targeted Bulk Electronic Mailing. 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And with a simple click of the mouse, you can send them your marketing letter instantly." *Entrepreneur Magazine "Blows traditional marketing away." *Advertising Age "It's truly arrived. Email is the killer app so far in the online world." On balance Direct Electronic Mail is the Superior marketing tool as it produces an almost immediate response, the results are easily measurable, it is cost effective and unlike few other mediums of advertising you are able to target your audience thus keeping costs down. I look forward to your response. 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