Re: Contacting ISP re: CC fraud
And FWIW I agree, and thanks to those who emailed me offlist with similar echoed comments. :P My thinking was. 1) I dont like the use of Fraudulent Credit Cards regardless of who theyre being used with... 2) If The ISP is deemed to be the appropriate contact for a genuine crime then.. well.. *shrug* Of course the logical cause of action is obvious, but then again, when the NZCC have already pretty much told you what they think of you, its not suprising that the appropriate authorities havnt yet been invoked... ? At 01:21 p.m. 17/10/2002 +1300, Glen Wilson wrote:
The stick approach always has postive results.
Glen Wilson Senior Engineer and Administrator Network Operations Shift Supervisor Ihug, Auckland, New Zealand
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Steve Phillips wrote:
At 13:03 17/10/2002 +1300, Mark Foster wrote:
This stuff strikes me as obvious enough - as a sysadmin I would expect a lot of this is fairly logical proceedure for dealing with network abuse.
He runs one of the biggest SPAM/MLM schemes in New Zealand, so its not surprising he doesn't know how "whois" works and doesn't trust that a remote ISP will actually respond to "abuse@" complaints (hell, we know HIS one didn't eh seeby ?)
Maybe he just needs to be beaten about the head a few times with a very large clue stick.
-- Steve.
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At 01:25 p.m. 17/10/2002 +1300, you wrote:
And FWIW I agree, and thanks to those who emailed me offlist with similar echoed comments. :P
My thinking was.
1) I dont like the use of Fraudulent Credit Cards regardless of who theyre being used with... 2) If The ISP is deemed to be the appropriate contact for a genuine crime then.. well.. *shrug*
Of course the logical cause of action is obvious, but then again, when the NZCC have already pretty much told you what they think of you, its not suprising that the appropriate authorities havnt yet been invoked... ?
NZCC = New Zealand Commerce Commission, in case anyone missed it. http://worldwidescam.com/cashev.htm - someones experiences? http://www.mlmopportunitylist.com/Marketing/ - Look its even listed as an MLM entity. Oops... - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Does it really matter what the press has to say? This is a very unhelpfull list I can see. Barry -----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Mark Foster Sent: Thursday, 17 October 2002 1:36 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Contacting ISP re: CC fraud At 01:25 p.m. 17/10/2002 +1300, you wrote:
And FWIW I agree, and thanks to those who emailed me offlist with similar echoed comments. :P
My thinking was.
1) I dont like the use of Fraudulent Credit Cards regardless of who theyre being used with... 2) If The ISP is deemed to be the appropriate contact for a genuine crime then.. well.. *shrug*
Of course the logical cause of action is obvious, but then again, when the NZCC have already pretty much told you what they think of you, its not suprising that the appropriate authorities havnt yet been invoked... ?
NZCC = New Zealand Commerce Commission, in case anyone missed it. http://worldwidescam.com/cashev.htm - someones experiences? http://www.mlmopportunitylist.com/Marketing/ - Look its even listed as an MLM entity. Oops... - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
You sound surprised that a bunch of people who support networks for a living would have a problem with something that looks and quacks remarkably like a scam. On Thu, 2002-10-17 at 13:42, Barry @ CASHevolution Support wrote:
Does it really matter what the press has to say?
This is a very unhelpfull list I can see.
Barry
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Mark Foster Sent: Thursday, 17 October 2002 1:36 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Contacting ISP re: CC fraud
At 01:25 p.m. 17/10/2002 +1300, you wrote:
And FWIW I agree, and thanks to those who emailed me offlist with similar echoed comments. :P
My thinking was.
1) I dont like the use of Fraudulent Credit Cards regardless of who theyre being used with... 2) If The ISP is deemed to be the appropriate contact for a genuine crime then.. well.. *shrug*
Of course the logical cause of action is obvious, but then again, when the NZCC have already pretty much told you what they think of you, its not suprising that the appropriate authorities havnt yet been invoked... ?
NZCC = New Zealand Commerce Commission, in case anyone missed it.
http://worldwidescam.com/cashev.htm - someones experiences?
http://www.mlmopportunitylist.com/Marketing/ - Look its even listed as an MLM entity.
Oops...
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On Thu, 2002-10-17 at 13:42, Barry @ CASHevolution Support wrote:
Does it really matter what the press has to say?
This is a very unhelpfull list I can see.
Barry
Here, have a cluepon. http://www.edge-inc.net/fun/images/cluepon.jpg - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Can this be taken off list please. At 13:52 17/10/2002, Jeremy Brooking wrote:
On Thu, 2002-10-17 at 13:42, Barry @ CASHevolution Support wrote:
Does it really matter what the press has to say?
This is a very unhelpfull list I can see.
Barry
Here, have a cluepon.
http://www.edge-inc.net/fun/images/cluepon.jpg
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At 13:42 17/10/2002 +1300, Barry @ CASHevolution Support wrote:
Does it really matter what the press has to say?
This is a very unhelpfull list I can see.
Who mentioned the press ? afaik Juha has not yet posted. As for helpfulness.. forgive us barry if we don't like spammers/scammers for some weird reason. If you are really concerned about tracking these people down then why not contact your own ISP ? or do they respond to queries from their customers with the same lack luster attitude they answer abuse complaints with.. ? -- Steve. - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Let me put it in simple terms, many of the people on this list have to do a significant amount of extra work to try and combat spamming rip off artists. As such you will find very little sympathy and certainly very little help from this group. Infact many people see such activities as the scourge of the net and would prefer that such lowlifes disappear all together. It really is a bit cheeky asking the people who barely tolerate the existence of such "businesses" for help.
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Barry @ CASHevolution Support Sent: Thursday, 17 October 2002 1:42 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: Contacting ISP re: CC fraud
Does it really matter what the press has to say?
This is a very unhelpfull list I can see.
Barry
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Mark Foster Sent: Thursday, 17 October 2002 1:36 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: Contacting ISP re: CC fraud
At 01:25 p.m. 17/10/2002 +1300, you wrote:
And FWIW I agree, and thanks to those who emailed me offlist with similar echoed comments. :P
My thinking was.
1) I dont like the use of Fraudulent Credit Cards regardless of who theyre being used with... 2) If The ISP is deemed to be the appropriate contact for a genuine crime then.. well.. *shrug*
Of course the logical cause of action is obvious, but then again, when the NZCC have already pretty much told you what they think of you, its not suprising that the appropriate authorities havnt yet been invoked... ?
NZCC = New Zealand Commerce Commission, in case anyone missed it.
http://worldwidescam.com/cashev.htm - someones experiences?
http://www.mlmopportunitylist.com/Marketing/ - Look its even listed as an MLM entity.
Oops...
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Barry ＠ CASHevolution Support -
Jeremy Brooking -
Mark Foster -
Matthew Poole -
Steve Phillips -
Ted Grenfell -
Tony Wicks