Chris, So far as I'm aware the income tax laws haven't changed in the past year, so UniForum membership is still likely to be a condition of the UniForum option. How the UniForum organisation is structured, and hence what the subscription is, was to be reviewed last year, though I've not heard of an outcome from that. - Donald Neal
-----Original Message----- From: Chris Hellberg [mailto:odysseus(a)soa.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, 9 January 2003 16:43 To: Donald Neal Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: NZNOG 2003
On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 11:43:06AM +1300, Donald Neal wrote: <<Stuff about venues>>
I don't have a strong opinion either way on the two venues (as long as there's beer and curry close-by), however I would prefer not to have to pay for membership to a society that I'll never have any interest in.
That being said, I'm sure the cross-pollination on technical discussions and presentations of the NZNOG and Uniforum type is good, just keep the membership optional.
Checking the list of past NANOG presentations:
http://www.nanog.org/authors.html
Gives a great start for potentials at NZNOG 2003. Jeff Doyle is a pretty well-known brand in networking who I'd like to see this year.
Chris
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I was happy with having last years event as part of Uniforum. There was no requirement for the NZNOG people to have much to do with the other streams so I don't see it as a problem. If being part of Uniforum means we are likely to get better sponsorship and speakers then this is a reasonable trade off. Accomodation and transport costs to Hamilton for most people are likely to outweigh any savings in venue. (Note I'm not speaking for myself there since I can stay for free in Hamilton with relatives). The cost of the last event wasn't excessive especially since most people attending either were paid by their employer or are on fairly good money. Perhaps others could start putting aside $10 per week now which should cover their admission in mid-year. The Uniforum newsletter I got a week or two ago was even interesting. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 10:08, Simon Lyall wrote:
Accomodation and transport costs to Hamilton for most people are likely to outweigh any savings in venue.
Hmmm... I have to point out that for us press-monkeys on peanut money, any venue outside Auckland is going to be difficult. -- Juha Saarinen - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Just out of interest, approximately how many people are inside Auckland, and how many people work outside of Auckland (the rest of NZ)? I would imagine it would be about 60% Auckland, but I might be wrong. Dave
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Juha Saarinen Sent: Friday, 10 January 2003 10:14 a.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: NZNOG 2003
On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 10:08, Simon Lyall wrote:
Accomodation and transport costs to Hamilton for most people are likely to outweigh any savings in venue.
Hmmm... I have to point out that for us press-monkeys on peanut money, any venue outside Auckland is going to be difficult.
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I really don't think that I should be cluttering up the list with this. Myself being an outside Aucklander I was just interested. If any one is interested in an actual percentage rather than a guesstimate (which is what I was really after) then feel free to drop me private mails with your location. I'll then throw together some statistics. Cheers, Dave
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of David Mill Sent: Friday, 10 January 2003 1:26 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: NZNOG 2003
Just out of interest, approximately how many people are inside Auckland, and how many people work outside of Auckland (the rest of NZ)? I would imagine it would be about 60% Auckland, but I might be wrong.
Dave
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz]On Behalf Of Juha Saarinen Sent: Friday, 10 January 2003 10:14 a.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: NZNOG 2003
On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 10:08, Simon Lyall wrote:
Accomodation and transport costs to Hamilton for most people are likely to outweigh any savings in venue.
Hmmm... I have to point out that for us press-monkeys on peanut money, any venue outside Auckland is going to be difficult.
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On Fri, 2003-01-10 at 14:55, David Mill wrote:
I really don't think that I should be cluttering up the list with this. Myself being an outside Aucklander I was just interested. If any one is interested in an actual percentage rather than a guesstimate (which is what I was really after) then feel free to drop me private mails with your location. I'll then throw together some statistics.
I already spend lots of valuable time when I should be drinking beer giving information to Statistics NZ and lo and behold they actually publish some of the results on the web. (:-) e.g. http://www.stats.govt.nz/domino/external/web/Aboutsnz.nsf/htmldocs/Find+info... You do have to wonder why at least part of the site jumps off to somewhere so remote that even the Aussies have no name for it: http://www.nowwhere.com.au/scripts/hsrun.exe/srch/statsnz/MapXtreme.htx;star... Now back to your normal programming (in all senses of the word) - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Fyi, Today is my last day at TelstraClear, I'm moving down country to a less stressful life without pagers and multi-gigabit routers ( but plenty of tasty snapper ) . The primary TelstraClear wholesale network engineers will now be Tim Harman and Matt Camp in Auckland with Mark Seward and Sid Jones in wellington. In the 6 years I've been in the ISP/Telco industry I have seen the New Zealand Internet grow from 64k links and 14.4 modems to 2.5gigabit links and broadband. The reliability and professionalism has also taken a quantum leap, and I think it is important for everyone to stop occasionally and appreciate how far we ( as an industry ) really come. I can be contacted at "myfirstname"@"mylastname".co.nz cheers all Tony Wicks Senior Network Engineer TelstraClear New Zealand +64 9 9125266 - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
Fyi, Today is my last day at TelstraClear, I'm moving down country to a less stressful life without pagers and multi-gigabit routers ( but plenty of tasty snapper ) . The primary TelstraClear wholesale network engineers will now be Tim Harman and Matt Camp in Auckland with Mark Seward and Sid Jones in wellington.
It's interesting infact that this is happenning more and more. Now that I am unemployed, and not having much luck with finding work I am personally thinking of enrolling in university to finally make something of myself (in the traditional sense) after dropping out of high school to be a geek. I know of at least one other engineer who is now attending university and one other that is thinking of leaving his job to finish his degree. I also know at least one person (other than Tony) who has moved "down country" for the better life style (and dare I say cheaper housing prices) offered by a rural setting. I think we might have what you would call "a trend" taking place here. Has the downturn finally affected the real geeks or is it simply the tie-wearing corpo-drones with cisco qualifications pushing us out of the industry that we created? Is it really that slow in the market? I'm interested your opinions.
In the 6 years I've been in the ISP/Telco industry I have seen the New Zealand Internet grow from 64k links and 14.4 modems to 2.5gigabit links and broadband. The reliability and professionalism has also taken a quantum leap, and I think it is important for everyone to stop occasionally and appreciate how far we ( as an industry ) really come.
Indeed. It seems like a lot has happenned since we had to manually
reset hundreds of external modems on shelves every morning.
I do have to say that I am really proud of the network engineers in this
country because even as the industry becomes more and more corporate
oriented the personalities on this list and their cohorts have created a
very real feeling of friendship and camaraderie that has made this a
great industry to work in.
--
James Tyson
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