Its only fair that you make your own minds up about the spam and a copy is below. My perspective is that spam sucks, but at least we theoretically in New Zealand we have great network administrators (I do note Xtra as an exception here after previous experience) that we can have tell the users off and reduce/prevent spam. However when a network is involved, who does the telling off? Networks/Service providers by involvement in the industry should hopefully already know that spam is wrong, therefore a telling off is pointless and punishment realistically should be an option. Exactly how is the hard bit, and hopefully the press will do their part to expose these questionable StrongNet ethics. Who knows perhaps NZNOG being notified of peers who are spamming may be punishment enough in the long term, it is a very small industry. After getting six of these emails, there is no way I would deal with StrongNet in the future, however realistically I may not have in any case. But Phillip Hunt and StrongNet are now forever etched in my 'memory' of New Zealand based spammers and dodgey people. Cheers Chris Chris Woodrow Melco New Zealand
-----Original Message----- From: phil(a)strongnet.co.nz [SMTP:phil(a)strongnet.co.nz] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:54 AM To: info(a)melco.co.nz Cc: postmaster(a)melco.co.nz Subject: Asia Online
Dear Asia Online Domain Holder (melco.co.nz),
Strongnet operates one of New Zealand's most advanced and fully automated Domain Name and Webhosting systems. It is not our intention to send you information that is of no interest. Please advise us at any time if you wish to be removed from our records by replying to this message with just "REMOVE" in the subject line.
You may have read in the New Zealand Herald that ... "Internet service provider Asia Online New Zealand has gone into voluntary liquidation". The article can be found by clicking here <http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/businessstorydisplay.cfm?storyID=22455 4&thesection=business&thesubsection=ebusiness&thesecondsubsection=internet
or on the following link:
&thesection=business&thesubsection=ebusiness&thesecondsubsection=internet< http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/businessstorydisplay.cfm?storyID=224554 &thesection=business&thesubsection=ebusiness&thesecondsubsection=internet>
According to our records, your domain name MELCO.CO.NZ is hosted at Asia Online New Zealand.
Strongnet is a 100% New Zealand privately owned company that has been providing Domain Name and Hosting services since early 1998. Strongnet operates its own network at Albany, Auckland with high speed connections to the Internet and Uninteruptable Power. Our network is home to over 2500 Domain Names, including many high-profile clients such as:
* Cardlink Systems ( http://www.cardlink.co.nz)
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* Maurice Kain Textiles ( http://www.mauricekain.co.nz)
* Software Of Excellence ( http://www.soeidental.com)
* Wellington Drive Technologies ( http://www.wdtl.com)
* Armstrong Corporation ( http://www.armstrong.co.nz)
* Remuera Golf Club ( http://www.remueragolfclub.com)
* BikeBarn ( http://www.bikebarn.co.nz)
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Finally, thank you for your time... and we really look forward to hearing from you soon!
Kind regards, Philip Hunt Strongnet Limited Tel: +64-9-414-2492 Fax: +64-9-414-2960 Email: info(a)strongnet.co.nz Website: www.strongnet.co.nz
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2001, Chris Woodrow wrote:
Its only fair that you make your own minds up about the spam and a copy is below.
My understanding is that 3 ISPs besides Strongnet have also been contacting AO's customers so Strongnet shouldn't get all the flack. The 3 who's names I have seen mentioned are all big enough to know better. Note: We have checked and it appears no ihug employees have been engaged in contacted AO customers although we have had a few enquiries. BTW: The time on list.waikato.ac.nz appears to be an hour out, can whoever is on the list who looks after it please check. -- Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz ihug, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
At 27/10/2001 11:32, you wrote:
On Sat, 27 Oct 2001, Chris Woodrow wrote:
Its only fair that you make your own minds up about the spam and a copy is below.
My understanding is that 3 ISPs besides Strongnet have also been contacting AO's customers so Strongnet shouldn't get all the flack.
If anybody has evidence of bulk UCE to Asia Online customers, please post it here. Its time for this industry to start taking responsibility for itself. - PWM "Hell, there are no rules here - we're trying to accomplish something!" Thomas A. Edison --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Sat, 27 Oct 2001, Chris Woodrow wrote:
After getting six of these emails, there is no way I would deal with StrongNet in the future, however realistically I may not have in any case. But Phillip Hunt and StrongNet are now forever etched in my 'memory' of New Zealand based spammers and dodgey people.
I don't think that Strongnet are the only ones who're trying it on, but still, this is pretty damn skanky behaviour, guys. JSR -- John S Russell | Smile Operations Manager | Nod Attica/Callplus NZ | Build it. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
At 11:51 AM +1300 27/10/01, J S Russell wrote:
On Sat, 27 Oct 2001, Chris Woodrow wrote:
After getting six of these emails, there is no way I would deal with StrongNet in the future, however realistically I may not have in any case. But Phillip Hunt and StrongNet are now forever etched in my 'memory' of New Zealand based spammers and dodgey people.
I don't think that Strongnet are the only ones who're trying it on, but still, this is pretty damn skanky behaviour, guys.
Calling Philip Hunt pond scum, would be offensive to pond scum. In the spirit of "Fun with Meat", we should each courier him a maggot-ridden possum carcass, so he can busy himself picking it over, looking for potential clientele. -- Andrew P. Gardner barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP? We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare? Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
On Sat, 27 Oct 2001, J S Russell wrote:
I don't think that Strongnet are the only ones who're trying it on, but still, this is pretty damn skanky behaviour, guys.
Strongnet appears to have some skanky firewalling going on as well... normal traceroutes to www.strongnet.co.nz stop after e0.aknx2.orcon.net.nz (I was just wondering why it took so long to load their home page). -- Regards, Juha --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
HI Chris (and all) Thanks for forwarding the email. I to have heard they were sending them out but they aren't the only one. On Sat, 27 Oct 2001, Chris Woodrow wrote:
My perspective is that spam sucks, but at least we theoretically in New Zealand we have great network administrators (I do note Xtra as an exception here after previous experience) that we can have tell the users off and reduce/prevent spam. However when a network is involved, who does the telling off?
Their upstream provider would be one that comes to mind. Seriously when I complain of abuse, if nothing is done (or appears to have beend one) you then take it to their upstream provider. Remember this isn't the first time of unethical behaviour by an ISP towards another ISP. My earliest recall (of an event that was made public knowledge) was what happened in 1995 to Iprolink. regards Lin --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog
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