That's very odd and no, not normal AFAIK. We don't buy domestic transit from Global Gateway (don't want to pay Telecom anymore money than we have to), but we do buy domestic transit from TelstraClear. GG should be preferring/learning ihug routes from TelstraClear. I will try and sort it out for you. Hopefully it's a mistake and not some new unknown GG policy.

Is this a side effect of the Depeering/Peering policies of Telecom?

Yup, we used to peer with GG, Xtra over APE but yea you know the rest of the story. Simon Allard ihug Limited P +64 9 962 9827 M +64 21 456 412 E simon.allard(a)staff.ihug.co.nz

-----Original Message----- From: Jon Dean [mailto:jon.dean(a)simplicity.net.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2005 5:44 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [nznog] Ihug UBS to Global Gateway trip to Australia?

Hi all.

For the last few weeks, at least three Ihug 256K UBS accounts in Invercargill have been suffering from the following problem. Their round trip times to Global Gateway customers (ie. DSL customers) and been running at around 350ms. Traceroutes indicate that data is traversing via australia (which might account for the latency - but even that still seems to high).

A response from Ihug Business indicated that this was normal and advised that they would talk to Telstra.

Now these Ihug customers do not have any relationship with either Telstra or Telecom - and I accept that this could be some screwed up config with either party. However, I can't accept this is normal. Talking to your neighbour via DSL shouldn't go via Australia or at least shouldn't take 350ms.

All other traffic goes correctly (ie. Ihug UBS to pop3.xtra.co.nz etc...) it is only GG end users that seem to be screwed up.

My question for NZNOGers. Can anyone confirm that this is normal? Is GG not peering at all with Ihug UBS. Is there any beer at the end of the tunnel? Is this a side effect of the Depeering/Peering policies of Telecom?

This is Ihug UBS to Orcon (Telecom) DSL  2  203-109-156-252.ihug.net (203.109.156.252)  93.694 ms  3  Vl117-tig-nz-core-1.ihug.net (203.109.156.209)  88.690 ms  4  203-109-156-138.ihug.net (203.109.156.138)  83.481 ms  5  g1-0-1642.u12.telstraclear.net (203.98.18.161)  87.422 ms  6  * * *  7  210.55.202.49 (210.55.202.49)  299.341 ms  8  car17-dom.akcr8.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.119.154)  336.779 ms  9  * * * 10  port-x-x-x-x.fastadsl.net.nz (x.x.x.x) [open]  339.033 ms

This is the reverse Orcon DSL - Ihug UBS  2  210-55-67-32.adsl.netgate.net.nz (210.55.67.32)  56.362 ms  3  192.168.253.1 (192.168.253.1)  62.454 ms  4  p-c1.akbr1.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.245.237)  73.997 ms  5  210.55.202.97 (210.55.202.97)  103.640 ms p1-1.tkbr3.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.116.162)  77.407 ms  7  210.55.202.67 (210.55.202.67)  68.395 ms  8  ATM9-0-0-50.sn1.optus.net.au (202.139.128.97)  341.822 ms  9  AsiaNetcom.sn1.optus.net.au (202.139.18.2)  289.700 ms 10  po0-2.gw1.akl1.asianetcom.net (202.147.55.90)  376.026 ms 11  ip-202-147-45-74.asianetcom.net (202.147.45.74)  337.066 ms 12  203-109-156-140.ihug.net (203.109.156.140)  360.544 ms 13  203-109-156-213.ihug.net (203.109.156.213)  340.953 ms 14  203-173-161-x.bliink.ihug.co.nz (203.173.161.x)  471.486 ms

Kind Regards,

jon

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